In this episode, we have a follow-up to our Ted Bundy episode. We outline Ted Bundy's last few weeks on the run following his second escape from a Colorado jail. We interview Marti who interacted with Ted Bundy on February 14, 1978 mere hours before his final arrest in Pensacola, Florida. Marti describes the harrowing encounter and how she survived. She also provides ways to best handle these dangerous situations.

In this episode, we discuss the Sunset Strip Killers, Carol Bundy and Doug Clark. We discuss some background, their crimes, and there psychopathic traits. This episode provides a primer to their crimes and allows one to understand a couple that were together psychopathic.

In this episode we are joined by Winifred Rule. She is the author of Born to Destroy and she is a regular contributor to Psychology Today. Her blog is titled: Surviving the Female Psychopath. She has lived with a mother and sister who were both psychopaths. She provides examples from her life and we link them to the PCL-R items. She also provides tips to deal with psychopaths in our lives and how to get support.

Her website and link to purchase Born to Destroy - https://www.winisbooks.com/

Her Psychology today blog - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/winifred-rule

Way to contact Winifred - https://www.winisbooks.com/contact