What happens when we stop outsourcing our spirituality and start learning to hear God for ourselves?

In this episode of Spirit Club, Jordan and Kody begin with Joseph Smith’s final moments at Carthage Jail and quickly move into a much bigger conversation about prophets, mentors, heroes, cult leaders, and why human beings naturally gather around spiritual figureheads.

From Joseph Smith and Jesus to Taoism, Frozen II, masculine and feminine energy, and the tension between safety and adventure, the conversation explores what it means to honor teachers without surrendering our own spiritual responsibility.

Jordan and Kody wrestle with the difference between following a person and following “the way,” the importance of pressure-testing our beliefs, and learning to recognize peace, love, and joy as anchors along the spiritual path.

They also explore the divine masculine and feminine, the relationship between internal and external spirituality, religious trauma, spiritual maturity, and the possibility that God’s call may sometimes lead us beyond the safety of what we already know.

Ultimately, spirituality isn’t something we can outsource. Teachers, prophets, traditions, friends, and communities may help point the way—but the invitation is to see, experience, and connect with the divine for ourselves.

In this episode:

• Joseph Smith’s final moments and the Masonic distress signal
• Why we rally around prophets, heroes, mentors, and spiritual leaders
• The danger of outsourcing your spirituality
• Jesus as “the way” rather than merely a figurehead
• Pressure-testing leaders, beliefs, and ourselves
• Divine masculine and divine feminine
• Internal spirituality vs. external religion
• Religious trauma without throwing out the good
• Frozen II, Elsa, and answering the call into the unknown
• Peace, love, joy, and gratitude as spiritual anchors
• “This is not that, and that is not this”
• Learning to become seers—and asking one another, “What do you see?”

Spirit Club is an ongoing conversation about God, spirituality, meaning, and the experience of being alive.