This episode explores how life-altering moments can fundamentally reshape our definition of success, work, and legacy. After losing his mother, globally recognized people leader Alex Seiler confronted the illusion of unlimited time and re-evaluated goals that no longer fit who he had become. Grief became a clarifying force, prompting deeper questions about identity, purpose, and what it truly means to live, and be known for, a meaningful life, rather than chasing success for an outdated version of oneself.

From that clarity emerged a reimagined approach to career and leadership. Alex shares why he stepped away from traditional career ladders to design a portfolio career blending executive leadership, advising, writing, speaking, and partnerships, each chosen for income, impact, learning, or legacy. The conversation challenges narrow definitions of loyalty, titles, and progression, arguing instead for values alignment, optionality, and being “brilliant at the basics.” Practical insights span early-career guidance (building transferable skills, saving for choice, finding community beyond one employer) to senior leadership lessons on pacing change, meeting organizations where they are, and leading without judgment.

At its core, the episode is about relationships, reflection, and intentional change. Alex discusses building a personal board of advisors, creating trust through accountability, and making reflection a daily practice rather than a crisis response. The conversation ultimately returns to legacy: not “Have I been successful?” but “What do I want to be known for next?” For anyone questioning whether their career still fits the life they want, this episode offers a thoughtful, humane blueprint for choosing work that evolves with who you are becoming.

Success rarely follows a straight line, and this episode leans into that truth. Srikar Bhagavatula shares how lofty goals, self-doubt, and the pressure of "should" can quietly paralyze us, especially when we compare our messy, nonlinear paths to the curated success stories of our peers. From research that refuses to give clear answers to careers that detour far from the original plan, Srikar reframes uncertainty as part of the work. The real challenge isn’t getting everything right, but staying honest to the process and resisting the false narrative that everyone else is ahead.

At the heart of the conversation is the distinction between "good shoulds" and "bad shoulds". "Bad shoulds" are driven by external expectations, outcomes, and fear of failure; "good shoulds" are grounded in values like curiosity, integrity, and effort. Srikar reflects on how early role models, teachers who celebrated being proven wrong and parents who modeled quiet honesty, shaped his compass, while acknowledging that many people must later rewire their values through experience, therapy, and reflection. Growth, like values, is nonlinear, and learning to ask better questions often matters more than finding immediate answers.

Unexpectedly, the dance floor becomes a metaphor for leadership and life. Through West Coast Swing, Srikar learned the value of listening, adaptability, and frequent, low-stakes failure, putting himself in situations where being uncomfortable was unavoidable. Whether in research, careers, or relationships, progress comes from choosing challenges that stretch you without breaking you. This episode is a reminder that failure is part of the path and that when you define your why clearly, timing and outcomes have a way of catching up.

Have you ever realized that parenting is the ultimate leadership training ground? In this deeply honest episode, Jon and Danielle Mackin invite listeners into a raw conversation about family, faith, and the lessons they keep learning.

They admit that nothing exposes your blind spots faster than raising kids. As Danielle jokes, “I was the best parent until I became a parent.” The two reflect on how the journey of nurturing children has required them to reparent themselves, all while learning grace, patience, and how to surrender control in a world that constantly tests them.

The Mackins open up about the early years, the evolution of their relationship with control, and the art of loving each child uniquely. They share how faith has become the solid rock beneath their family, and how leadership at home often mirrors leadership in life: you can’t protect those you love from every hard thing, but you can walk beside them as they learn. With vulnerability and warmth, they explore how moms and dads often see parenting differently, and how those contrasts can strengthen rather than divide.

The episode also explores modern realities such as raising kids on “their parents’ social media” and capturing family life in real time. Jon and Danielle reflect on the lasting gift of transparency: giving their children the ability to “know them later” through stories, recordings, and the honest encyclopedia of what it took to raise them. Whether you’re a parent, leader, or both, this conversation is a reminder that leadership begins in the home, that faith steadies the chaos, and that sometimes the most profound lessons are the ones we have to learn the hard way.

The line between innovation and disruption often comes down to one thing: communication. Rich Davis, who spent 40 years at United Airlines, learned this early in his career, especially during the most challenging times in aviation security.

Starting as a reservation agent, Davis identified an inefficiency: temporary reservations that should have automatically canceled remained in the system, blocking inventory and requiring manual work to clear. His automated solution could save millions, but when he presented it, management rejected it for fear of budget and staff cuts. Later, when he resubmitted the proposal as part of a corporate initiative, it was approved, resulting in the elimination of 150-175 jobs.

This experience shaped Davis’s leadership style, especially after 9/11, when security became a top priority. His collaboration with security leaders from competing airlines was key to rebuilding public trust. "We were not competitors in security," he recalls, highlighting how they worked together toward a common goal: “100% landing.”

Throughout his career, Davis saw security decisions often clash with revenue priorities. When safety required airport closures or evacuations, it impacted profits. He learned to show that security was not just a cost, but a revenue driver that built customer confidence.

Davis’s advice for those facing resistance: persistence. Leaders change, opportunities open, and sometimes it takes approaching problems from different angles and gaining support from others to succeed. As he says, “You’ll be proud of the difference you make.”

Have you ever lost your cool at exactly the wrong moment? That spark of frustration that flares into a career-limiting outburst? Executive communication coach Laurie Schloff knows this struggle intimately, despite being a master at helping others communicate effectively.

In this refreshingly candid conversation, Laurie reveals her ongoing journey to maintain composure when emotions run high. She shares vulnerable stories of professional missteps, from losing clients due to excessive enthusiasm to sending apologetic flowers after a workplace meltdown. These moments taught her a crucial leadership lesson: effectiveness trumps being right every time.

The conversation introduces the powerful concept of the "controlled nervousness zone", that sweet spot where you're energized but not panicked, where your frontal lobe functions optimally for decision-making. Lori offers practical strategies for staying in this zone, including personalized mental mantras and physical techniques like controlled breathing and stress-release exercises. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing your triggers before they activate and having a ready toolkit of responses.

A fascinating gender dimension emerges as Laurie discusses how emotional expression is perceived differently in men and women leaders. While anyone who "loses it" faces consequences, she notes that male leaders often have a higher threshold of acceptable emotional expression before facing negative perceptions, an additional challenge for women navigating leadership roles.

Whether you're an entrepreneur who can control your schedule or someone working within tight constraints, you'll find actionable advice for creating the mental space needed to respond rather than react. Listen now to discover how to harness your energy for impact rather than allowing it to control you.

When was the last time you confronted what you don’t know? For Chuck Johnson, serial entrepreneur, technologist, and leadership coach, this question has shaped his journey through multiple successful startups.

From software engineer to founder, Chuck learned that understanding your limitations is just as important as knowing your strengths. "I needed to learn what other skills are crucial for a successful software company; vision, connections, and sales," he shares. This self-awareness became his superpower, helping him build complementary partnerships.

Chuck’s leadership is grounded in empathy, a value learned from his father, who ran a hospital. "My dad always made sure his office was the last to get the window unit," Chuck recalls, showing how actions speak louder than words. He applies this philosophy to his teams, emphasizing a balance between friendship and professionalism.

At LifeCloud, Chuck expanded his role into sales, demonstrating the value of stepping outside your comfort zone. "Expanding is uncomfortable but rewarding," he says, modeling a growth mindset.

As AI changes the tech landscape, Chuck embraces the same approach: "Don’t fear what’s smarter than you." Success, he believes, comes from building relationships with people, and now, technologies, that complement your abilities.

Want to learn how self-awareness and collaboration drive success? Listen now to hear more from leaders redefining the future.

What happens when your career trajectory gets derailed by an unexpected firing? For Caitlin Shea, Vice President of Development for Discovery Children's Museum, that moment of professional crisis became the foundation for authentic leadership and personal transformation.

This candid conversation goes beyond typical career advice to explore the rarely discussed aftermath of professional failure. Caitlyn reveals how being fired forced her to recognize that she was "so much more than her job" and ultimately shaped her into a more authentic and compassionate leader. The discussion takes a powerful turn as Caitlyn draws parallels between professional loss and personal grief, sharing how losing her mother during the pandemic further transformed her approach to authenticity in the workplace.

For listeners grappling with setbacks or questioning their professional identity, this episode offers a refreshing perspective: failure isn't the end but often the beginning of something transformative. As Caitlyn eloquently puts it, "When we invite others into these darkest moments, those moments that feel like they're never going to go away, what happens is the brightest, most vibrant light shines through."

Ready to transform how you view professional setbacks? Listen now to discover why sometimes the hardest lessons become our greatest gifts.

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What if every failure you encountered was actually a stepping stone towards success? In this episode of "Learning the Hard Way, the Easy Way," Carlos Marin, international leadership consultant and executive coach, joins Alex to share his philosophy on the relationship between failure and success. Carlos talks about learning from his own failures and how he translates them to his work mentoring executives worldwide. Carlos and Alex unpack how resilience and the ability to manage fears can redefine your self-perception and catalyze personal growth.

Discover the fine line between learning from your mistakes and being overly critical of them. Carlos and Alex explore the intricate balance of thoughts, feelings, and behaviors, and how cultural nuances play a role in handling failure and willingness to ask for help. They dive into the common fears executives face and how these anxieties can stifle personal growth. Through relatable anecdotes and practical advice, Carlos and Alex also consider the profound impact of these lessons on parenting, particularly in fostering resilience and a growth mindset in children.

Throughout the conversation, Carlos and Alex underscore the importance of mentorship and self-reflection in achieving tangible results. Carlos shares how reframing your perspective can influence your actions and feelings, leading to more positive outcomes. They discuss the necessity of clear objectives and feedback loops in effective mentorship and coaching. By the end of this enriching conversation, you'll have a toolkit of strategies to embrace failure as an opportunity for growth, both in your professional and personal life. Don't miss this chance to learn how failure and success harmoniously contribute to a fulfilling journey.

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