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Lights Out: Technology and Automation Podcast by MakingChips

Lights Out: Technology and Automation Podcast by MakingChips

Written by: Nick Goellner
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Talent is scarce, experience even more so, driving up costs and sleepless nights. You may even think to yourself, "Can we do this?" But this new era brings new technology and a different perspective on your operations. What you will hear will turn on a light bulb in your mind so you can turn out the lights in your shop. Get ready to sleep soundly while your shop never stops. Get ready for MakingChips Lights Out with your host, Nick Goellner.2024 Economics Management Management & Leadership
Episodes
  • You Don't Have a Capacity Problem — You Have a Visibility Problem, Ep #44
    Jul 3 2026

    Every shop owner has stared at a floor full of expensive machines and thought the same thing: I need more capacity. More people. A second shift. Maybe another spindle. But the honest answer, most of the time, is that you already own the capacity you need. You just can't see how it's being used.

    This week we sat down with Brian Anderson, Solutions Architect at ProShop ERP, for a conversation that hit uncomfortably close to home for all three of us. Brian has spent his whole career on both sides of this, first on the shop floor and now helping shops untangle the same knots. His core argument is simple. The problems you name out loud, scheduling, retention, quality, late deliveries, are almost never the real problem. They're symptoms. The real problem underneath is visibility.

    From there the conversation moves the way a good shop assessment should. We get into the difference between a capacity problem and a utilization problem, and why calling it the wrong name sends you shopping for the wrong fix. Brian makes a level-headed case for automation, the three Ds of dull, dirty, and dangerous work, and why the shops he talks to have no interest in replacing their people with robots. They just want to stop asking good machinists to babysit a bar feeder.

    Then we get practical. Splitting a job so the roughing runs unattended overnight. A five-minute shipping check that quietly eats hours off your week. Process Success Maps that treat the next person down the line as your customer. None of it is flashy. All of it is the kind of one percent improvement that actually compounds, which is a language we speak fluently around here.

    By the end, the throughline is hard to miss. Running lights out was never really about the fanciest robot in the room. It's about knowing your shop well enough, and seeing it clearly enough, to trust it when you flip the switch and walk out the door. That's where this one lives.

    What's Covered in this Episode
    • (0:00) The five-minute shipping mistake hiding on every job you ship
    • (2:22) Meet Brian Anderson and ProShop's new Solutions Architect role
    • (4:27) How ProShop ERP works inside of and transforms your business
    • (9:24) Investing in ProShop ERP is an investment in your business
    • (11:00) Brian's path from high-school machinist to employee number
    • (18:10) The problem shops think they have vs. the one they actually have
    • (20:36) Telling an owner their process is broken without losing the room
    • (24:28) Capacity problem or utilization problem? Define it right first
    • (28:08) Whole-shop throughput and why a machine-specific ERP wins
    • (29:15) Planning the whole job: tooling, purchasing, and cash flow
    • (31:28) Post-it notes get lost, digital work instructions don't
    • (32:28) Split a job to rough parts overnight and reclaim uptime
    • (35:50) Visibility, lean, and the theory of constraints on a real floor
    • (39:11) The Goellner Way, one percent better, and "I've always done it this way"
    • (41:54) IMTS Job Shops Workshop: practical ideas for shop pros
    • (42:45) A five-minute shipping checklist that adds up across every job
    • (46:18) Process Success Maps and treating the next station as your customer
    • (48:41) Hennig Workflow Automation: load 40 pallets and let it cook
    • (49:32) The data and tool-life visibility to trust a lights-out run
    • (55:25) AI to democratize your shop data, without the fear
    Resources Mentioned
    • ProShop ERP
    • Meet ProShop's CHIP
    • IMTS Job Shops Workshop
    • Hennig Workflow Automation System
    Connect with Brian Anderson
    • ProShop ERP
    • LoveYourERP.com
    • Connect on LinkedIn
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    1 hr
  • Before You Buy Another Spindle, Use the Ones You Have, #43
    Jun 19 2026

    Every shop wants the shiny new machine. Walk a showroom floor like the one at ZOLLER's Technology Days in Ann Arbor and it's hard not to feel like a kid in a candy store. But the most useful question on this episode isn't which spindle to buy next. It's whether you're actually using the ones you already own.

    We sat down at the ZOLLER Smart Manufacturing Summit with Walt Swenton, Senior Manager of Advanced Manufacturing at Eaton, for a conversation about problem-first thinking. Before you spend a dollar on technology, Walt argues, you have to name the problem you're solving. And for most shops, the real problem isn't cycle time. It's all the hours a machine sits idle while nobody's watching.

    Walt walks us through his three levels of OEE, starting with the simplest question a shop can ask: is the machine running or not? From there we get into why quality beats cycle time as your first target, why availability is the number most owners overestimate, and how cheap, almost flip-a-switch monitoring can tell you the truth about your floor.

    We also dig into the unglamorous foundation under every smart factory, which is standardized, digitized tool data. Walt makes the case that you can't run AI-driven CAM, predictive tooling, or anything close to lights-out until you've cleaned your own garage. Tool management, presetters, and a single source of truth for your cutting tools turn out to matter as much as the machines themselves.

    And because none of this works without people, we close on the human side: change management, operator buy-in, and why the manufacturing engineer of the future lives in the data. Running lights-out was never about the fanciest robot in the room. It's about knowing your numbers well enough to trust the machines when you walk away. That's where this one starts.

    What's Covered in this Episode
    • (0:00) Live from ZOLLER's Technology Days and Smart Manufacturing Summit in Ann Arbor
    • (1:56) Walt's roots: third-generation machinist from a wire EDM family shop
    • (5:46) Problem-first thinking: name the problem before you buy the technology
    • (7:44) Are you really getting the most out of your expensive CNC spindles?
    • (9:33) Breaking down OEE, and why quality beats cycle time as your first fix
    • (11:59) Low-hanging fruit: do everything you can before buying another spindle
    • (13:59) There are 24 hours in a day, so stop playing doorman to your machines
    • (17:00) DN Solutions: high-end multitasking, 5-axis, and automation
    • (18:12) The three levels of OEE, starting with is it running or not?
    • (23:47) Performance and cycle time when you're cutting Inconel 718
    • (27:07) Tool management, Z code, and killing offset-entry crashes
    • (30:51) ProShop ERP: reinvest in yourself and get payback in weeks
    • (32:27) Stop layering new equipment on top of bad processes
    • (36:08) The clean your garage problem: you can't automate what you can't see
    • (38:22) Smile 420 vs. Venturion, auto-clamping, and Fanuc robot tool delivery
    • (42:27) The human element: managing change and operator resistance
    • (43:59) The manufacturing engineer of the future works in the data
    • (46:02) Technology lifts people up, and the real talk on AI fear
    • (51:50) Learn more about the IMTS Job Shops Workshop
    • (52:40) Walt's advice: Get excited, but take small bites and know your next one
    • (56:29) "Pay for the highway" and watch the value multiply
    Resources Mentioned
    • ZOLLER
    • DN Solutions
    • ProShop ERP
    • Learn more about the IMTS Job Shops Workshop
    Connect with Walt Swenton
    • Connect with Walt on LinkedIn
    • Eaton
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • The 20-Hour Machine: Automation, Throughput & Smarter Capacity Planning, Ep #42
    Jun 5 2026
    Recorded live from the DN Solutions open house near Chicago, this special crossover episode between Lights Out and Buy the Numbers dives deep into what modern automation actually looks like inside growing machine shops. This isn't theory from a conference stage. It's a real-time conversation about throughput, utilization, machine strategy, and how shops can scale smarter without simply throwing more labor at the problem. Nick and Mike explore one of the most important concepts in automation today: the "20-hour machine." Not the fantasy of perfect 24/7 uptime, but the practical reality of building reliable workflows that consistently create unattended runtime while still accounting for real-world interruptions, tooling, setups, and production variability. The discussion breaks down how manufacturers should think about automation investments through the lens of throughput, flexibility, and capacity instead of just labor reduction. The episode also examines how shops evolve from traditional "lights in" manufacturing toward more autonomous workflows. From automated five-axis cells and pallet systems to machine monitoring and tool life optimization, Mike and Nick unpack how modern shops are using automation to free skilled employees from repetitive machine tending so they can focus on setup, process improvement, and higher-value work. Along the way, the conversation touches on CapEx strategy, machine consolidation, spindle utilization, service support, and the hidden costs of downtime. More importantly, it reframes automation as a tool for creating flexibility, scalability, and even more time outside the shop. Because at the end of the day, the goal isn't just running machines longer. It's building a manufacturing business that runs smarter. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (0:00) A special live crossover episode from the DN Solutions open house blends "Buy the Numbers" and "Lights Out"(2:28) Mike and Nick discuss the future "roadshow" concept and why tech centers may be the future of manufacturing events(4:23) Mike explains how he approaches multi-year CapEx planning and evaluating future machine investments(9:23) Why every machine shop should have a formal capital expenditure strategy(11:40) IMTS is coming up! Here's why you need to see us there(12:33) How maximizing older equipment and improving workflows can delay unnecessary machine purchases(17:26) How automation, machine monitoring, and tool optimization work together to increase utilization(19:07) Why the numbers matter in manufacturing decisions, even when strategic choices go beyond pure ROI(22:33) The parallels between buying machine tools and acquiring manufacturing businesses(25:20) The rapid pace of innovation in manufacturing software, automation, and shop-floor technology(28:19) The true cost of downtime, DIY fixes, and underestimating the value of people's time(31:30) Why automation is really about freeing skilled employees to do higher-value work(34:08) Why we love the quality of SMW Autoblok workholding(34:53) Mike walks through evaluating a major new customer opportunity and determining required capacity(40:40) Why you should listen to the Manufacturing Executive podcast(41:08) How ROI calculators and throughput modeling help justify major equipment investments(45:42) Why service support and machine uptime are critical factors in choosing machine tool partners(47:20) How automation improves profitability without forcing shops to lower pricing(48:46) Why profitability is essential for taking care of employees, customers, and the broader community Resources & People Mentioned IMTS is coming up! Here's why you need to see us thereWhy we love the quality of SMW Autoblok workholdingWhy you should listen to the Manufacturing Executive podcastHennig ROI Calculator Connect With Buy the Numbers Follow on LinkedInConnect with Mike Payne on LinkedIn Subscribe to Buy the Numbers on Apple + Spotify Audio Production and Show Notes by - PODCAST FAST TRACK
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    53 mins
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