America turns 250 this year, and the country feels trapped in a cycle of outrage, suspicion, and political tribalism. Every election is described as the most important in history. Every disagreement becomes a moral crusade. Every compromise feels like surrender. Rich Logis believes there is another way, and he knows because he lived the alternative.

Rich wasn't a spectator during Donald Trump's rise. He helped build the movement. He volunteered on campaigns, recruited voters, wrote for conservative publications, produced pro-MAGA podcasts, and believed he was fighting to save the country. When that conviction began to crumble, the hardest part wasn't changing his politics. It was rebuilding his life after politics had become part of his identity.

That experience led Rich to found Leaving MAGA, a nonprofit dedicated to people who have begun asking difficult questions but don't know where to turn. The organization offers private conversations, peer support, practical resources, and a welcoming community built around curiosity, empathy, and intellectual independence. Rich personally speaks with many of the people who reach out, helping them process the emotional challenge of rethinking deeply held beliefs and, for those who choose, share their stories to encourage others facing the same crossroads.

Mookie refuses to let the conversation drift into partisan comfort zones. He challenges Rich on the Democratic Party's own failures, libertarian alternatives, the rise of democratic socialism, media manipulation, algorithm-driven outrage, and the uncomfortable reality that millions of disillusioned conservatives still find voting Democratic unimaginable. The discussion circles repeatedly around a question that has no easy answer: if someone concludes that MAGA has lost its way, where do they go next?

The result is a conversation that reaches well beyond Donald Trump or the next election. Rich argues that curiosity changed his life by leading him outside the media bubble that had shaped his worldview. Mookie wonders if America's deeper problem may be a political system that continually forces citizens into two increasingly polarized camps. Together they explore what it takes to change one's mind, rebuild trust, and recover the independence to think beyond party labels.

Rich's story goes beyond politics and is proof that people can grow, convictions can evolve, and courage sometimes begins with a single uncomfortable question. As America enters its next quarter millennium, that may be the most hopeful message of all.

The Guest

Rich spent seven years as a devoted MAGA activist, pundit and podcaster. He left the movement in 2022 after becoming disillusioned with its extremism and negative impact on American democracy. Not content to simply walk away, Rich founded Leaving MAGA in 2024. Through public speaking, writing, and media appearances, he works fervently to support those seeking a path out of radicalization. Rich refers to himself as a born-again human being, and believes that empathy and understanding are necessary to reduce political polarization. He is the author of One Betrayal Too Many: Why I Left MAGA.

His Organization

We empower people to leave MAGA and tell their stories.
We foster reconciliation with friends and family.
We develop movement leaders to help others leave.

https://leavingmaga.org/

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Honey Gold is what happens when live music, visual art, meditation, technology, and a willingness to leap into the unknown collide.

In this 105th episode of No Hair All Heart, Mookie sits down with Sariah and Taylor, the creative force behind Honey Gold, an immersive audiovisual experience that combines original music, projection mapping, visual storytelling, and intentional design to create something increasingly rare in modern life: a space to slow down.

The conversation explores the origins of Honey Gold, from Sariah's years in California's experimental art and rave scenes to Taylor's decades-long journey as a multi-instrumentalist and performer. Together, they discuss how a small local performance evolved into shows at Louisiana's historic Old State Capitol, a unique presentation at Audium in San Francisco, and an ambitious plan to create a full-dome planetarium experience that could eventually reach audiences around the world.

Along the way, they discuss the realities of building an independent creative project from scratch, balancing a romantic relationship with an artistic partnership, surviving career disruptions, navigating technology's growing influence on art, and why authentic human experiences matter more than ever in an increasingly digital world.

Their free-flowing conversation covers creativity, risk-taking, collaboration, and the strange way life sometimes rewards people who stop waiting for permission and simply start building. Whether you're an artist, entrepreneur, musician, dreamer, or someone trying to create something meaningful in a noisy world, Honey Gold's story offers a refreshing reminder that some of the most interesting things happen when people are willing to make it up as they go, while staying true to a vision that's close to the heart.

Honey Gold's upcoming performances include immersive events in Baton Rouge and San Francisco, with larger plans already taking shape for planetariums, virtual reality, and beyond.

The Guests

Honey Gold is produced and creatively led by Sariah Sizemore and Taylor Matherne, with visual direction by Wes Kennison of Version 47. The project is shaped through close collaboration across music, imagery, and environment, with each element developed intentionally as part of a unified experience. Sariah and Taylor lead the creative vision for Honey Gold, composing the original music and curating the visual content that informs the tone, pacing, and emotional arc of the experience.

Their Website

https://www.honeygoldexperience.com/'

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Honey Gold at Louisiana's Old State Capitol

Honey Gold at Audium

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