The Season 4 Sampler lets you get a bit of each episode:

1. Anthony’s Story

2. Constructive Coercion Pt 1 – Dr. Jeremy Milloy

3. The New PPE (C. Michael Kinsella’s Story)

4. 100 Good-bye’s with Dr. Nicole Anders

5. James’ Story (Pain BC)

6. Constructive Coercion Pt 2 – Jeremy Milloy

While Season 4 spanned a wide variety of expertise and geography, the themes of pain, loss, grief and hope tell the story of every worker and every family in the Off the Clock Toolbox Talk family.

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James Boseley grew up in rough and tumble rural Alberta. Pain or having an IV plugged into his arm was no reason to stop working. Dealing with pain on a daily chronic basis, James’ mental health rapidly deteriorated to where he was considering suicide.

Because of his severe pain, James left Alberta to haul disposal bins in BC for half of what he was making in AB. Here James was injured again, breaking and tearing multiple hard and soft tissues throughout his body. With James’ high pain tolerance the medical system downplayed his injury. Not only did he not receive appropriate medical treatment, but he was shamed and discouraged from voicing his pain. James had to fight tooth & nail for his basic benefits at Worksafe. Despite acknowledging the severity of James’ injuries, Worksafe only treated a fraction of the injuries and denied the rest. Being off work for years, James didn’t have the money to hire a lawyer, and ended up living in squalor, creating even more challenges for his healing journey. Adding to his long list of injuries, James was psychologically devastated when he was told he should just be thankful that he has what he has.

Karen, James and Trevor discuss the additional emotional injury that occurs when our physical injuries aren’t validated and treated. They discuss the additional injury that service providers add by putting the burden of wellness back onto the client when the injury doesn’t heal at first treatment.

James ties up with his excitement at the Pain & Trades program he is developing at https://painbc.ca/ . He can be contacted at James.Boseley@painbc.ca

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Constructive Coercion Is a Thing features scholar Dr. Jeremy Milloy who studies the history of how we got to have the kind of workplaces we have (good and bad). His work is motivated by the fact that our jobs have a such a huge effect on our lives, our identities, our health, and our life outcomes.

Jeremy’s original work started by studying the concept of violence in the workplace, specifically how seemingly average humans get to the point where they ‘go postal’. And while Jeremy did discover a number of under-reported obvious violence such as shootings and stabbings, he also discovered that workplace violence was much more subtle. His original work targeted North America’s auto manufacturing industry, but the parallels of his findings are widespread across all workers, including construction trades. Themes of hazing, ‘paying your dues’ and enforcing codes of conduct after hours in places like the bar are prevalent amongst most workers, blue collar, hospitality, transportation, everywhere.

Part One of the conversation winds up as we begin talking specifically about substance use in the trades, and Jeremy brings up the concept of Constructive Coercion that was utilized in the 1980’s, as it was thought it would motivate workers to stay off harmful drugs.

To find out more about constructive coercion, catch Constructive Coercion Is A Thing Part 2, released on November 18, 2024.

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Season 4, Episode 3

In this episode, construction safety officer and carpenter C. Michael Kinsella, shares how he owes his whole life to his Red Seal.

When school wasn’t working out so well in junior high, Michael went straight into construction at the ripe old age of 14. ​He loved it. After an overdose at 16, Michael found a father figure in the industry and formed a chosen "family" of mentors around him. He and co-host Trevor Botkin discuss the value of these bonds that are formed on work sites.

​Trevor and Michael go on to discuss some of the physical and psychological stressors of the industry, and the toll they take on a person and their biological family. And substance use is a regular part of that life.

​Michael explains how he learned how to behave at work - and how to nurture his own physical, social and mental health. He encourages other tradespeople to foster a culture of wellness and humanity amongst their crews as well.

In 2023, Michael co-founded The New PPE, a non-profit organization whose values center around safety, accessibility, and empowerment. It's hope is a future where every workplace in Canada has the tools and knowledge to protect against the preventable tragedy of a toxic drug supply. A future where personal protective equipment includes naloxone and is mandated across all industries. Learn more and offer support at TheNewPPE.org.

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When psychologist, Dr. Nicole Anders, lost her beloved brother Cody to overdose, she navigated her grief through writing daily love letters to Cody. Her book, One Hundred Good-bye’s is a collection of those love letters, bridging the personal and clinical dimensions of her grief.

Nicole discusses that she frequently talks with her kids about their Uncle Cody. She suggests answering questions about a loved one’s overdose factually, but also keeping the answers simple for young children. She says when kids are older, discuss that their loved one took a medicine and didn’t know what was in it. Co-host Daniel emphasizes the centrality of people taking a substance and not knowing what’s in it, and how this drug poisoning crisis is entirely preventable.

Nicole coaches that grief doesn’t make sense, but our brains continually wrestle with it. In her own bargaining stage of grief, she wishes she would have been more loving in her interactions with Cody. In her humanity, even though she’s a psychologist, she wishes she would have dropped her judgement and frustration and just listened to Cody more. She now utilizes the phrase “how human of you” to disarm her own shame, and the shame of others she works with.

The conversation wraps up talking about the importance of person-first language so we see the human in front of us and don’t identify them by one particular struggle.

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Anthony shares his story of growing up in a family of tradesmen where hard work and thick money were at the center of their way of being. And with the hard work came hard substance use.

As a teen, addicted to alcohol and cocaine, Anthony went to his parents to ask for help when he realized he was in more trouble than he could handle. His father’s solution was to send him to Fort McMurray where Anthony’s cowboy lifestyle cemented in. After decades of remote work, burning down one town and moving on to the next, Anthony found himself alone and using dangerous opiates. With a six month old child now in his life, he realized he had to do something different and reached out to an aunt who helped him get into recovery.

Anthony’s recovery experience was not straightforward, and he feels that after one year of recovery, he was just beginning to thaw out from decades of substance use. It took several years for him to figure out how to start living his life. Anthony discovered his son was in foster care at two years of age and knew he had to do the right thing and break the cycle of inter-generational trauma. He took some parenting courses and did more personal work so he could be a better father. Anthony and his mother were able to gain custody of his son, and Anthony continues to learn and grow beyond the harmful patterns he learned from his dad and uncles, creating a better life for himself and his son.

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The Season 3 Sampler lets you get a bite of each episode:
1. Shawn's Story
2. Aeris' Story Part 1
3. Jason's Story
4. Superintendent Summit
5. Losing Someone to Overdose
6. CSO Shane's Story
7. Aeris's Story Part 2

Covering lots of really tough stuff, and emerging with our humanity intact, this sampler is all about connecting to each others' stories.

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Men forging health in the unregulated drug crisis, through real f**king talk.
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