The final episode for Season 2 featuring Andrew "Tokes" Tokeley in conversation with Fran and Lauchlan. Enjoy our take aways and final thoughts from the 10 episodes in Season Two.

Thank you to all our guests and listeners!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In today's episode with Elizabeth Griffiths and dive into web3 and how product management can be applied to a emerging space.

Elizabeth explains the evolution of the internet to Web3, emphasizing the significance of owning digital assets and the decentralized ledger system of blockchain. The discussion also touches upon the potential societal benefits of these technologies, such as improving voting systems and medical records management.

The episode highlights the challenges and the excitement of working with cutting-edge technology and emphasizes the importance of following one's passion, exploring new opportunities, and continuous learning. Elizabeth shares her experiences and insights, offering valuable advice for those interested in Web3 and the broader tech landscape.

Key points:

• Introduction to Web3 and the evolution of the internet.

• The problems digital ownership and decentralization through blockchain technology can solve and how it might just change the world we know.

• The value of taking risks and seizing opportunities in one’s career.

• Complexities and learning curve associated with working in the new industries

• Read: Read, Write, Own by Chris Dixon
• Listen: Bankless, Overprice Jpegs with Carly Riley and Green Pill

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode we chat to Ross Howard, CPO at Tradify.

Ross brings his graphic design and creative director background as a lens to Product Management. He talks about his experience with products that fail and when you know to pull the plug. We focus mostly on innovation and why it's so important to design processes that are specific to your company, your culture and your product.

Some things to put on your read and listen list:

• Read: The Mac is Not a Typewriter by Robin P. Williams
• Listen: Lenny's podcast
• Listen: Sharp Tech and Stratechery by Ben Thompson

Enjoy this episode and get in touch with any questions or comments!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm sure we've all read these great product books and thought I wish that's how my company operated. In today's episode with Bridget Cowie we explore how leaning into the messy and fast paced aspects of a job could be exactly how bringing 'ideal product management' to life feels.

We explore how being pragmatic with your approach and being okay to iterate and make changes over time is key to building trust and helping a growing business achieve it's goals!

Some key points:

• Good product isn't alway good product
• Doing things by the book isn't always the best and a slow iteration to meet the needs you have and solve problems is important
• Change only moves at the speed of trust.
• Build empathy with your founders and leaders and then work to share that trust and context with the great people on your team
• Read: John Cutler's The beautiful mess
• Listen: Product thinking with Melissa Perri

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Listen to our episode with Para Muraleedharan, who currently leads two product companies under the Evercommerce portfolio: Timely in ANZ and SalonBiz in the US.

Para walks through the product ladder from PO to PM to GM to CPO. Her insights are invaluable as she describes the changes she experienced at each step, with the biggest being GM to CPO level. This is a great round-up to previous episodes in the season, bringing back similar themes of the differences between the C-suite and working within a specific area.

Some things to put on your read and listen list:

• Read: Playing to win by A.G. Lafley, and Roger L. Martin
• Read: Turn the ship around! by L. David Marquet
• Listen: Diary of a CEO and Lenny's podcast

Enjoy this episode and get in touch with any questions or comments!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today we're talking with Bec Sweeney, an amazing product leader about how curiosity can be an incredible tool for you to focus on.

"That feeling of being in the grey is a good thing, and the more we can try and navigate it through kind of solid curiosity, and again, harnessing that curiosity, I think is where the magic lies"

Some key points:

• We'll explore how deliberate curiosity plays are role in a product leaders success.
• We discuss when going deep on a topic is useful and when to bring yourself back up again.
• How your approach needs to change as you level up and move into management positions.
• The benefits of being genuinely interested the problems you're solving and how you can add value to your business.
• How following curiosity and seeking to disrupt the 'typical' career path can yield great results
• Read: Escaping the build trap by Melissa Perri

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today we have the pleasure of sharing with you our conversation with Product Leadership Coach Andrew Tokeley, known by everyone as "Tokes".

Tokes is well known in the Aotearoa Product Community. He launched ProductTank Wellington and is chair of Product Aotearoa. His claim to fame is being the first Product Manager at Xero back in the day. He is currently focusing on Product Leaders in Aotearoa and developing a network of CPOs across the country. We dig into this and more in the episode!

Some things to put on your read and listen list:

• Read: The VP Product Role (M. Cagan)
• Listen: Unconformable Conversations with Josh Szeps
• Listen: Left, Right & Center
• Listen: Diary of a CEO

We hope you enjoy!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode we welcome Corinna Stukan to talk about the topic of data! Corinna is the author of The Insights Driven Product Manager: Master Product Metrics And Uncover True Data Insights.
Gumroad - ebook
Amazon - paperback or Kindle

We have an amazing conversation that explore some of the many complexities around making great decisions as a product person using data.

Some key areas we explore are:

• Understanding the value your products are delivering and how you can prove that through data.
• How data can help you make good decisions as a PM.
• What are the ways you should approach setting up a data culture.
• What are some common pitfalls and how can you avoid vanity metrics.
• The key metrics you should pay attention to for your business
• Read: Zero to One by Peter Thiel
• Listen: ReThinking with Adam Grant

We hope you enjoy!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.