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Radical Sacred

Radical Sacred

Written by: Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke
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 Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted.

For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore.

Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation.

Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as:
  • What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?
  • Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?
  • Where do you experience the Holy?
  • If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?
  • How do you find joy and pleasure in these wild times?
  • Has there been an anchor for you as your spirituality has shifted?
  • How can the stories we tell ourselves harm or heal ourselves, and creation?
Not experts, Jenny and Phil strive to live the questions while exploring the mystery of all that is unsolved in our hearts and souls.

Will you join them?Copyright Phillip Dieke Christianity Ministry & Evangelism Spirituality
Episodes
  • David Hayward is the Naked Pastor

    David Hayward is the Naked Pastor
    Feb 11 2026
    We were so fortunate to talk to David Hayward, known for his work under the moniker the Naked Pastor, in this spacious and honest episode about art, deconstruction, feminine wisdom, nature, and more. David shares with us his spiritual journey that is continually unfolding. His gentle storytelling invited us to look deeply at our spirituality, to not be afraid to live the questions when they come up, and to begin to move towards whatever is stirring within our hearts. There is no wrong way to become your fullest self, and the world deeply needs people who have come alive. This chat opened up some things for us to sit with, we hope it does the same for you.

    Show Notes

    • The Naked Pastor Website
    • Naked Pastor on Instagram
    • The Liberation of Sophia
    • Without a Vision my People Prosper-
    • Till Doubt Do Us Part
    • The Lasting Supper - Online Community
    • Nadya Tolokonnikova from Pussy Riot Art
    • Life Together by Dietrich Bonhoeffer
    Chapters
    00:00 The National Anthem and Its Hidden Truths
    02:56 Introducing David Hayward: The Naked Pastor
    05:59 The Naked Truth: Spiritual Abuse and Silence
    11:39 The Journey of Deconstruction Begins
    14:47 Reconstruction: Integrating the Past
    19:05 Sophia: The Feminine Wisdom Within
    25:56 Masculinity and the Inner Feminine
    33:03 Jesus and Feminine Wisdom in the Church
    39:19 Navigating Marriage Through Deconstruction
    42:51 The Glue of Relationships: Love Beyond Beliefs
    45:43 Navigating Deconstruction in Relationships
    46:18 Loneliness and Community Rebuilding
    49:38 Finding New Connections Outside Faith Communities
    51:34 Art as Resistance and Inspiration
    56:48 Nature's Role in Inspiration and Connection
    01:00:28 The Power of Awe and Love
    01:10:27 The Naked Pastor's Journey and Future Directions
    01:12:35 NEWCHAPTER
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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Wes Ellis and Abiding in Amen

    Wes Ellis and Abiding in Amen
    Feb 4 2026
    We had a lovely time chatting with Wes Ellis about his book Abiding in Prayer! Wes is a pastor, professor, and author who decided to look at prayer through a gentle, nonjudgmental, and playful lens. We chat about abiding in prayer, silence, what resonates deeply within us, and approaching prayer in a hopeful, open hearted way. We hope that this episode gives you the space you need to check out prayer in new and innovative ways! May your prayers flow through you freely, may they reach the depths of your heart and spirit, and may your prayers lead you to act.

    Show Notes:
    • Abiding in Amen
    • Wes Ellis Website
    • The Uncontrollability of the World by Hartmut Rosa
    • God in Creation by Jurgen Moltmann
    • Theology of Play by Jurgen Moltmann

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Prayer and Its Significance
    05:11 Exploring the Challenges of Prayer in a Secular Age
    10:25 Defining Prayer: A Two-Way Communication
    13:10 Prayer as Technology: A Cautionary Perspective
    18:33 Resonance in Prayer Practices
    21:11 The Concept of Disposable Prayer
    24:40 The Importance of Play in Spiritual Life
    27:09 The Importance of Play and Joy in Troubling Times
    27:50 Prayer as Community Action
    30:08 Suffering with the World: A New Perspective
    33:15 The Role of the Church in Transformation
    35:19 Being Ready: The Nature of Prayer
    38:27 Everything as Prayer: A New Understanding
    44:58 Breath Prayer and the Desert Fathers
    51:04 Finding Beauty Amidst Darkness
    52:03 Invitation to Simple Prayer
    53:48 NEWCHAPTER
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    55 mins
  • Finding Awe Through Creative Flow with the Seryn

    Finding Awe Through Creative Flow with the Seryn
    Jan 28 2026
    We had the loveliest of chats with Seryn founding members Nathan James Allen and Trenton Wheeler! We talk creativity, flow, letting our questions guide us, their beginnings as a band in Denton, TX, their pause from creating music together, the pathway back to one another, and their newest songs. Join us for this winding, interesting, music and hope filled conversation. Fun fact: our new intro and outro music is a gorgeous tune called Beach Song by Seryn. This song means a lot to us and we hope that you enjoy it as well!

    Show Notes:
    • Seryn
    • Seryn on Instagram
    • Youtube
    • Playing March 21 - Thinline Filmfest - Denton, TX
    • Transcendental Reunion - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure - Matmos
    • App - Bednight Sleep Music
    • The Birds Wrote Me a Poem by: Andrea Gibson

    Chapters
    00:00 The Poetic Prelude
    04:04 Introducing Seryn: Origins and Name
    07:06 The Hiatus: Conflict and Growth
    11:40 Reunion and Healing Through Music
    19:45 Serendipitous Connections and Band Dynamics
    25:30 Nature's Influence on Music
    30:45 The Creative Process Behind 'River Song'
    32:31 The Significance of 'Beach Song'
    43:14 Faith and Doubt in Our Music
    55:26 The Importance of Questioning Beliefs
    57:00 Artists as Voices of the Oppressed
    57:43 Finding Inspiration in Turbulent Times
    01:00:24 The Role of Family in Creativity
    01:03:31 Navigating Anxiety and Creativity
    01:09:50 The Urgency of Time and Connection
    01:19:21 NEWCHAPTER
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    1 hr and 20 mins
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