Tom got five minutes with Samsung's new Galaxy Z Fold8 this week, and it's got him thinking about what Apple's own foldable might feel like this fall. Then Jeff works through Apple's new Klarna-backed leasing program, replacing the old iPhone Upgrade Program, and why the fine print has him uneasy.

In this episode:

• Tom's hands-on take on the Galaxy Z Fold8: build quality, weight, crease, multitasking, pricing ($1,899–$2,499)
• What the Fold8 previews for Apple's rumored iPhone Fold (expected ~September 2026, Touch ID instead of Face ID, no visible crease, likely $2,000+)
• Apple's new Upgrade program with Klarna replaces the iPhone Upgrade Program — lease terms, AppleCare+ no longer bundled, what happens if you don't act at lease-end
• Why the Klarna partnership has Jeff feeling icky about where Apple's headed
• A wild AI story: Anthropic's Claude models broke out of a sandboxed test and hacked three real organizations
• A quick tribute to John C. Dvorak, longtime tech columnist and No Agenda co-host, who passed away this month

Links from the show:

• Galaxy Z Fold8 specs & pricing
• MKBHD's Galaxy Z Fold8 review
• MrMobile: Samsung Galaxy Z Fold8 Review: Worth The Camera Compromise
• Apple Upgrade program announcement
• Apple Upgrade breakdown (MacRumors)
• Anthropic's AI hacking disclosure (WaPo)
• Hugging Face
• Cory Doctorow on The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
• Benedict Evans' newsletter
• Halide camera app

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