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Sound Systems

Sound Systems

Written by: Max Bernstein
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Unlock the secrets to building a thriving, streamlined music business on Sound Systems, hosted by Max Bernstein, Founder of Relationl. Max is on a mission: to help the music industry move beyond spreadsheets and disconnected tools. Having founded a record label, festival, and tech platform himself, Max now designs custom, automated operating systems for music companies featured in Billboard and Rolling Stone. Every episode dives into the day-to-day challenges of music management and operations. Max interviews music moguls and industry executives who are leveraging relational databases and workflow automation to achieve clarity, control, and massive scale. If you're ready to stop wading through manual effort and start running your business with maximum efficiency and transparency, Sound Systems delivers the blueprint.Copyright 2026 Max Bernstein Music
Episodes
  • How Indie Artists Are Gaming Spotify Without Getting Banned with Dorian Perron

    How Indie Artists Are Gaming Spotify Without Getting Banned with Dorian Perron
    May 20 2026
    In this episode, Max Bernstein sits down with Dorian Perron, Co-founder of Groover, to break down how artists actually grow on Spotify today through playlists, algorithms, and data-driven strategies.Dorian explains why playlisting has become the dominant form of music promotion, replacing traditional outlets like blogs and radio, and how artists can use it to generate real audience growth. He also talks about the risks of artificial streaming, how to identify fraudulent playlists, and why engagement matters far more than follower count.The conversation also explores how Spotify’s algorithm works behind the scenes, including the importance of early traction, popularity scores, and listener behavior. Dorian shares actionable strategies for artists to maximize campaigns, build momentum across platforms, and avoid common mistakes that can hurt long-term growth.Key TakeawaysWhy playlisting has become the most important driver of music discoveryHow to spot fake playlists and avoid artificial streaming penaltiesWhy engagement matters more than playlist follower countHow Spotify’s algorithm rewards early traction and listener consistencyThe growing role of AI in music creation and its impact on the industryKey Timestamps00:00 - Introduction to the changing landscape of playlisting04:42 - Identifying fraudulent playlists and avoiding artificial streams09:12 - How to create successful independent playlists14:01 - Using social media and ads to build playlist engagement19:58 - Why territories like Brazil and Mexico are critical for growth23:08 - How Spotify’s algorithm works and the importance of early traction28:00 - What genres have the biggest indie playlists?28:54 - The role of digital ads in Groover’s growth strategy30:00 - What people think about AI generated music37:29 - Where to follow Dorian and Groover for more tips and updatesFollow Our Guest, Dorian PerronDorian Perron LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dorian-perron-44102177Groover LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/heygroover/ Indeflagration LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/indeflagration/ Dorian Perron Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dorianflagrant/ Groover Music Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/groover.music/ Groover Obsessions Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grooverobsessions/ Groover Website: https://groover.co/en/ Indeflagration Website: https://indeflagration.fr/ Follow the Host, Max Bernstein:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mberns01/X: https://x.com/relationlcoFollow RELATIONL:Website: https://www.relationl.co/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@relationl LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/relationl/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/relationlco/
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    38 mins
  • Is Rock Music Back with Ashlyn Bruni

    Is Rock Music Back with Ashlyn Bruni
    Apr 29 2026
    In this episode, Max Bernstein sits down with Ashlyn Bruni, A&R Coordinator at Hopeless Records, to break down the resurgence of rock music and what it takes for artists to succeed in today’s landscape.Ashlyn shares how modern A&R has evolved beyond chasing streams and viral moments, focusing instead on genuine fan connection, community-building, and long-term artist development. She also unpacks how independent labels operate, the shift toward distribution and licensing deals, and the trade-offs artists face when choosing between indie and major routes.The conversation also explores the role of TikTok in discovery, the risks of trend-chasing, and the growing impact of AI on music creation, offering a clear look at where the industry is heading and what artists need to stand out.Key TakeawaysWhy rock music is making a strong comeback and what’s driving the revivalWhat A&R actually looks for beyond streams, followers, and viral momentsWhy fan connection and community matter more than audience sizeThe shift from traditional record deals to distribution and licensing modelsHow AI and TikTok are both helping and hurting artist discoveryKey Timestamps00:00 - Introduction to Ashlyn Bruni and her role at Hopeless Records01:15 - The resurgence of rock music: What’s driving the comeback?03:30 - How A&R evaluates artists in 202606:00 - Why indie labels are becoming a better option for many artists08:15 - The shift from traditional record deals to distribution and licensing models11:00 - The role of TikTok in artist discovery and trends13:20 - The risks of chasing viral moments and social media success15:00 - Women in the music industry and overcoming gender bias17:40 - The importance of representation for emerging artists20:00 - Ashlyn’s thoughts on the future of rock and new talent22:30 - Artists to watch right now in the rock scene24:00 - Where to connect with Ashlyn and final thoughtsFollow Our Guest, Ashlyn BruniAshlyn Bruni Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashlyn.bruni/Ashlyn Bruni LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashlyn-bruni-37535269/Hopeless Records Website: https://www.hopelessrecords.com/Hopeless Records LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/hopelesssub-city-records/Follow the Host, Max Bernstein:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mberns01/X: https://x.com/relationlcoFollow RELATIONL:Website: https://www.relationl.co/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@relationlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/relationl/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/relationlco/
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    24 mins
  • Stop Chasing Virality with Mark Roberge

    Stop Chasing Virality with Mark Roberge
    Apr 1 2026
    In this episode, host Max Bernstein sits down with Mark Roberge, a musician, founder of FanFlowy, to break down the systems-driven approach behind building a sustainable music career in today’s industry. He is also the co-founder of Make Our Music and serves as CEO of Bamrock Entertainment and Prospect Hill Entertainment.Mark shares how artists can move beyond chasing virality and instead build predictable, scalable growth using marketing funnels, fan acquisition strategies, and automation. Drawing from his experience as both a touring musician and tech founder, he explains why Spotify followers, not just monthly listeners, are the key metric for long-term revenue, and how independent artists can realistically generate six-figure incomes through a combination of streaming, merch, and live shows.Together, Max and Mark explore how to treat music like an e-commerce business, why owning your audience is critical, and how to turn casual listeners into lifelong superfans through intentional systems and storytelling.Key TakeawaysWhy Spotify followers matter more than monthly listeners for long-term incomeHow to build a full-funnel marketing system for music (ads → fans → superfans)The role of merch, live shows, and community in maximizing fan lifetime valueHow automation and tools like FanFlowy reduce workload while scaling growthWhy consistency, not virality, is the foundation of a sustainable music careerKey Timestamps00:00 – Followers vs. monthly listeners: the metric that actually drives revenue01:24 – How 50K Spotify followers can translate into $100K+ annual income04:20 – Building real fans vs. chasing viral moments06:46 – Applying e-commerce funnels to music marketing19:29 – What high-converting ads for artists actually look like23:18 – Inside the fan journey: from signup to superfandom31:26 – Using SMS, email, and automation to nurture fans37:55 – How much work artists actually need to put in41:26 – Final thoughts - where to connectFollow Our Guest, Mark RobergeMake Our Music website: https://www.makeourmusic.com/ Make Our Music LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/make-our-music/FanFlowy Website: https://fanflowy.com/Mark Roberge LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-roberge/Prospect Hill Entertainment LLC Website: https://prospecthillband.com/Bamrock Entertainment LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bamrock-entertainment/Make Our Music Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makeourmusicMake Our Music Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/makeourmusicMake Our Music Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@makeourmusicFollow the Host Max Bernstein:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mberns01/X: https://x.com/relationlcoFollow RELATIONL:Website: https://www.relationl.co/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@relationlLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/relationl/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/relationlco/
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    39 mins
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