Episodes

  • Matt Shumer Is Right. The First Domino Already Dropped
    Mar 1 2026

    “Something Big Is Happening” went viral for a reason.

    80M+ views.
    That’s ~1% of the world.

    People didn’t share it because it scared them.

    They shared it because it confirmed something they already felt.

    The February 2020 analogy matters.

    Flights were full.
    Offices were open.
    Life looked normal.

    But the curve had already bent.

    AI feels similar.

    This isn’t 3.1 vs 3.2.
    This is linear turning vertical.

    What used to require:
    • Back-and-forth iteration
    • Multiple handoffs
    • Days of refinement

    Now happens in:
    • One well-structured prompt
    • One feedback loop
    • One autonomous build cycle

    The first industry to feel it?

    Software engineering.

    For 20 years, engineering was the safest bet in the economy.

    Then AI went from:
    Autocomplete
    → Code suggestions
    → Full scaffolding
    → Autonomous builders

    In under two years.

    Engineering wasn’t targeted.

    It was simply closest to the blast radius.

    AI labs optimized for code because code builds AI.

    Once that loop worked, the capability expanded.

    Now the compression spreads:

    • Law
    • Finance
    • Consulting
    • Customer support
    • Revenue operations

    Anywhere work = language + logic + structured process.

    That’s why the article resonated.

    One industry already compressed.

    The rest are debating whether the shift is real.

    This isn’t panic territory.

    It’s attention territory.

    The curve has already bent.

    The only question is whether you see it while it’s happening — or after it hits your function.

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    3 mins
  • AI Is Coming for the BPO Model
    Feb 28 2026

    Vinod Khosla recently said BPOs could disappear within five years.

    Most service leaders will dismiss that.

    They shouldn’t.

    Traditional BPO is built on:
    • Labor arbitrage
    • Headcount scale
    • Utilization math
    • Margin on human throughput

    That model worked when labor was the constraint.

    AI changes the constraint.

    If your business relies on:
    • 1,000 agents answering tier-one tickets
    • Teams updating CRMs
    • Manual invoice processing
    • Rules-based lead qualification
    • Repetitive back-office tasks

    You are operating a temporary data-processing layer.

    And AI eats temporary layers.

    The opportunity isn’t to shrink.

    It’s to redesign.

    The next-gen BPO likely looks like:
    • 50 high-skill operators
    • 5,000 AI workers
    • Outcome-based pricing
    • 24/7 execution
    • No training lag
    • No attrition

    This is no longer about cost per FTE.

    It’s about orchestration per outcome.

    Nearshore will still matter for complex, judgment-heavy workflows.

    Offshore will still matter for scale.

    But the dominant layer becomes “Smartshore”:
    BPOs that specialize in AI agent orchestration and Cloud Employee management.

    The fork in the road:

    Defend seats and optimize headcount math.

    Or rebuild around output and orchestration.

    Comfort vs inevitability.

    The market won’t reward comfort.

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    3 mins
  • Salesforce Doesn’t Know How to Price AI
    Feb 27 2026

    Salesforce is charging for Agentforce three different ways:

    • $2 per conversation
    • $0.10 per action
    • $125+ per user per month

    One product. Three models.

    Why?

    Because SaaS was built on seats.

    But AI replaces seats.

    If your AI works, customers need fewer humans.
    If customers need fewer humans, they need fewer licenses.
    If you charge per seat, your best product eats your own revenue.

    That’s the revenue paradox every incumbent is staring at right now.

    So companies are experimenting in public.

    The PricingSaaS 500 tracked 1,800+ pricing changes last year across the top 500 B2B and AI companies. That’s 3.6 pricing shifts per company in a single year.

    Nobody has conviction yet.

    We’re watching three camps form:

    Per-seat incumbents trying to protect predictable ARR.

    Usage-based vendors aligning price to compute and API calls.

    Outcome-based challengers trying to tie price directly to value created.

    This is not a feature update cycle.

    It’s a structural shift.

    For twenty years, software was access.
    Now AI is output.

    And output doesn’t map cleanly to logins.

    When software becomes labor, you price it like labor.

    That’s the shift.

    The companies that figure out how to align price with output, capacity, and business impact will win.

    Everyone else is just adjusting knobs and hoping the spreadsheet holds.

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    4 mins
  • The Future of Customer Service: AI and Outcome-Based Models w/ Ted Smith
    Feb 26 2026
    In this episode, we explore the transformative power of AI in customer service, focusing on the shift from traditional labor-based metrics to innovative outcome-based models. Join us as we discuss with industry experts from Zendesk and Salesforce about the challenges and opportunities in adapting to these changes. Discover how AI is redefining customer experience and why committing to AI integration is crucial for success. Tune in to learn about the future of customer service and the evolving role of AI agents alongside human counterparts. Get my weekly breakdown of AI, GTM, and Cloud Employees: https://atonom.ai/newsletter Ready to hire your first Cloud Employee? https://atonom.ai/
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    20 mins
  • AI Agents Failed 97% of Real Work
    Feb 25 2026

    Scale AI and the Center for AI Safety tested frontier agents on 240 real freelance jobs.

    Not toy benchmarks.
    Not controlled prompts.
    Actual client work.

    Result:
    Top agent success rate → 2.5%
    Failure rate → 97%

    Why?

    Because real work is messy.

    • Specs change mid-project
    • Clients contradict themselves
    • Quality is subjective
    • Feedback is vague
    • Files must actually function
    • Iteration is constant

    Agents don’t fail because they lack raw intelligence.

    They fail because they need structure.

    What the study also showed:

    AI performs well in:
    • Structured data tasks
    • Simple visual generation
    • Audio edits
    • Report compilation
    • Basic dashboards

    Clear inputs. Clear outputs. Defined scope.

    The insight:

    AI struggles with ambiguity.
    AI thrives on structure.

    So the real opportunity isn’t replacing complex professionals.

    It’s redesigning workflows.

    Humans own:
    • Ambiguity
    • Judgment
    • Taste
    • Negotiation
    • Changing context

    AI owns:
    • Repetition
    • Standardization
    • Throughput
    • Clearly defined tasks

    The companies that win won’t drop agents into chaos.

    They’ll redesign work so machines handle the structured layer and humans operate at the messy layer.

    Messy is still job security.

    Structure is already automated.

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    3 mins
  • The Real AI Race Is in the Data Layer
    Feb 24 2026

    Everyone thinks the AI race is about models.

    It’s not.

    It’s about data integrity.

    Since 2023, Salesforce has deployed $12B in acquisitions:

    • ~$10B into data infrastructure
    • ~$2B into the agent layer

    That ratio tells you everything.

    Why?

    Because enterprise “truth” is a mess:

    • Multiple versions of the customer
    • Conflicting systems of record
    • Permissions nobody fully understands
    • Unstructured docs buried across drives
    • Call notes trapped in tools
    • Context locked inside rep brains

    And yet companies think layering agents on top of that will magically fix it.

    The real failure mode of AI agents isn’t intelligence.

    It’s corrupted inputs.

    An agent sitting on bad data is just a confident liar with permissions.

    That risk scales fast.

    So Salesforce is doing the unsexy work first:
    Cleaning records. Normalizing systems. Reconciling data. Tightening governance.

    The companies that win this cycle won’t have the flashiest demo.

    They’ll be able to answer three questions every time:

    Where did this data come from?

    Can we trust it?

    Can the agent act safely on it?

    If you can’t answer those, you’re not deploying AI.

    You’re accelerating dysfunction.

    Before you spin up 500 agents, fix the foundation.

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    3 mins
  • Promotion Now Requires AI
    Feb 23 2026

    Most companies are still playing AI theater.

    • Lunch-and-learns
    • Internal prompt libraries
    • Innovation committees
    • “We’re exploring” language

    That’s not transformation. That’s risk management.

    Accenture drew a line in the sand:
    If you want to lead, you have to use AI in your real workflow. On real work. With measurable impact.

    This is organizational rewiring at scale.

    For decades, leadership progression was tied to:
    • Revenue managed
    • Teams led
    • Tenure accumulated
    • Political capital built

    Now there’s a new variable: AI leverage.

    If two leaders hit the same number, but one did it with:
    • Less headcount
    • Lower cost
    • Higher throughput
    • Faster cycle times

    That person wins.

    This is the shift from headcount-based management to output-based leadership.

    Key Takeaways:

    If AI adoption isn’t tied to compensation, it’s optional.

    Optional initiatives don’t change behavior.

    AI fluency is becoming a leadership competency, not a technical skill.

    The leaders who don’t use AI won’t stay leaders.

    We are moving from:
    “Try ChatGPT.”
    To:
    “Show me how you used AI to move the business.”

    The organizations that wire this into performance systems will compound.
    The ones that don’t will quietly fall behind.

    Leaders will either use AI… or report to someone who does.

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    3 mins
  • Retention Is the New Growth Hack w/ Larry Thoma
    Feb 19 2026
    Join us in this engaging episode as we dive into the world of Customer Experience (CX) with Larry Toma, a CX expert at Parcel Lab and the mastermind behind the CX Mixer podcast. Discover how AI is transforming post-purchase experiences and learn about the innovative strategies brands are using to enhance customer loyalty and satisfaction. From the importance of proactive communication to leveraging AI for efficiency, this episode is packed with insights for anyone looking to elevate their CX game. Tune in to explore the future of CX and AI! Get my weekly breakdown of AI, GTM, and Cloud Employees: https://atonom.ai/newsletter Ready to hire your first Cloud Employee? https://atonom.ai/
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    25 mins