• E177: Inside Rural Healthcare Leadership with Hospital CEO Aidan Hettler
    Mar 12 2026

    What does it really look like to lead a hospital when there is no cushion, limited resources, and every decision affects your neighbors?

    In this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, host Michael Stamatinos sits down with Aidan Hettler, the CEO of Sedgwick County Health Center, a county-owned critical access hospital serving rural communities.

    Aidan became a hospital CEO at 22 years old, taking on one of the most difficult leadership roles in healthcare. In rural healthcare, there’s no hiding behind layers of administration. If a nurse calls out, you feel it that shift. If infrastructure fails, the entire community feels the impact.

    This conversation explores the real leadership challenges inside rural healthcare — from financial pressure and staffing shortages to building culture, expanding services, and making decisions in public view.

    Michael and Aidan dive into the unfiltered realities of running a rural hospital, including:

    • The unique challenges of leading a county-owned critical access hospital

    • How rural healthcare leaders make decisions when resources are limited

    • Turning around financial performance while increasing wages and improving culture

    • Why people and mission matter more than scale in rural healthcare

    • Expanding clinical services and opening a new clinic after 26 years without growth

    • Implementing a new EMR system and transforming workflows across the organization

    • Recruiting leaders and clinicians to a rural community

    • The realities of public accountability in small towns

    • How healthcare leaders navigate pressure, uncertainty, and difficult decisions

    This episode offers powerful lessons for healthcare executives, hospital leaders, digital health founders, investors, and policymakers who want to better understand the realities of healthcare leadership beyond large urban systems.

    If you care about the future of healthcare delivery, rural health innovation, leadership under pressure, and building resilient healthcare organizations, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss.

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    About the Show

    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    51 mins
  • E176 | Justin Brueck on Why Healthcare Innovation Fails Inside Health Systems
    Mar 4 2026

    Most people talk about healthcare innovation.

    Very few people have to make it work inside a real health system.

    In this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, Michael Stamatinos sits down with Justin Brueck, System Vice President of Innovation and Research at Endeavor Health, to explore what it actually takes to move ideas through a complex healthcare organization.

    Justin didn’t arrive in healthcare with a master plan. His journey began in rural Iowa, where a chance encounter with a healthcare executive opened a door that would shape the rest of his career.

    From starting as an administrative fellow to leading enterprise innovation and research across one of the largest health systems in the Midwest, Justin has spent years learning how healthcare systems actually adopt change.

    In this conversation, Michael and Justin discuss:

    • Why good healthcare innovation ideas often fail inside health systems

    • The hidden complexity of getting new technology adopted in clinical environments

    • How frontline clinicians shape whether innovation succeeds or dies

    • The role genomics and personalized medicine will play in the future of care

    • What startups and founders often misunderstand about selling to health systems

    • Why healthcare will always remain a deeply human business despite rapid technological change

    Justin also shares the surprising leadership lessons he learned early in his career and the story of how one mentor changed the trajectory of his life.

    If you care about healthcare leadership, innovation adoption, digital health, genomics, and the future of health systems, this episode offers a rare inside look at how innovation actually happens behind the scenes.

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    03:00 What innovation inside a health system actually looks like

    08:00 Justin’s unconventional path into healthcare leadership

    16:00 Why good healthcare innovation ideas fail

    23:00 The future of genomics and personalized medicine

    26:00 Building a business case for innovation in health systems

    28:00 Leadership lessons from inside large healthcare organizations

    31:40 Quickfire questions with Justin Brueck

    33:30 The human side of healthcare and the future of patient care

    About Justin Brueck

    Justin Brueck is the System Vice President of Innovation and Research at Endeavor Health, where he leads initiatives spanning clinical genomics, enterprise innovation, research operations, and emerging healthcare technologies. His work focuses on translating new ideas into real-world solutions that improve patient care, support clinicians, and strengthen health system performance.

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    36 mins
  • E175: Regine Villain and the Weight Behind the Title
    Feb 26 2026

    Leadership in healthcare is often framed in headlines. Big strategies. Big bets. Big promises.

    But most of it does not look like that.

    In Episode 175 of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, Michael Stamatinos sits with Regine Villain, Chief Supply Chain Officer, Oschner Health for a conversation about the part of leadership that rarely gets named.

    The pressure.

    The energy drain.

    The moral weight of knowing that if something breaks, a patient feels it.

    Regine grew up in Haiti. She thought she would become a pediatrician. Life moved her toward engineering instead, and eventually into healthcare operations. Early in her career, she walked into a CEO’s office unannounced and asked what it would take to sit in that chair one day. Not out of ego. Out of hunger to understand how systems work.

    That instinct still drives her.

    This episode is not about supply chain mechanics. It is about healthcare leadership as stewardship.

    Regine speaks plainly about:

    • The difference between title and expertise

    • The mistake of making decisions without the right voices in the room

    • Cultural misalignment that quietly erodes trust

    • Burnout at the executive level

    • Learning to say no in a field that rewards overextension

    One of the most striking moments in the conversation comes from a loading dock.

    To most people, it is inventory. Boxes. Movement.

    To Regine, it is a pacemaker inside cardboard. A grandmother waiting for surgery. A clinical team depending on reliability.

    “It’s not just a box.”

    That line is not metaphor. It is operating philosophy.

    Healthcare innovation often centers on technology. This conversation centers on responsibility. On the discipline required to stay steady when systems strain. On protecting energy so leadership does not become martyrdom.

    Viewers will leave with something more durable than tactics.

    * A clearer lens for resilient healthcare leadership.

    * A deeper respect for culture as infrastructure.

    * And a reminder that access is not a slogan. It is operational.

    This episode is for:

    * Healthcare executives absorbing pressure that no one sees

    * Women stepping into rooms where they are still underestimated

    * Health system operators responsible for access and reliability

    * Leaders wrestling with culture that does not match the slide deck

    * Anyone who has felt the cost of always saying yes

    If you are a healthcare executive, clinician, operator, founder, or investor trying to understand what steady leadership actually requires, this episode is worth your time.

    Learn more about Regine:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/reginehonorevillain/

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    52 mins
  • E174 | How Sinai Chicago Innovates Without Unlimited Resources
    Feb 17 2026

    What does it really mean to lead a safety-net health system?

    In this powerful episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, Michael Stamatinos sits down with Dr. Ngozi Ezike, President and CEO of Sinai Chicago, to talk about leadership, health equity, innovation under constraint, and what transformation actually looks like on the ground.

    Before leading Sinai Chicago, Dr. Ezike served as Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health during the COVID-19 pandemic. But long before the cameras and press conferences, she was and still is a physician rooted in community care.

    This is not a surface-level healthcare interview.

    This is a deep conversation about:

    • What “safety net” really means and why most people misunderstand it

    • Leading a health system serving Medicaid and uninsured populations

    • Innovation without unlimited resources

    • Why Sinai invested in a new Epic electronic health record despite financial constraints

    • Community health workers and why they are a “win-win-win” model

    • Transportation barriers and how vans improved patient show rates

    • Medical literacy, social determinants of health, and real patient stories

    • The bold bets required to transform urban healthcare

    Dr. Ezike shares candid reflections on leading under constraint, building trust in historically marginalized communities, and why safety-net systems are essential to the health of an entire city.

    If you care about healthcare leadership, hospital innovation, public health, community-based care, or the future of urban health systems...this conversation is for you.

    Sinai Chicago serves Chicago’s West and South Sides for more than 100 years, and Dr. Ezike is working to ensure it thrives for the next 100.

    Learn more about Sinai Chicago:

    https://www.sinaichicago.org

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    About the Show

    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    47 mins
  • E173 | Why Healthcare Leaders Still Feel Stuck Even When the Data Is Better
    Feb 5 2026

    Healthcare has more data than ever.

    So why do so many leaders still feel stuck?

    In this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, Michael Stamatinos sits down with Khan Siddiqui, MD, CEO and Chairman of HOPPR and former Founder and CEO of higi.

    This conversation is not about trends.

    It is about judgment.

    Khan shares how growing up with a mother who still runs a clinic in Pakistan shaped his view of service, responsibility, and care. He explains how that foundation led to an early decision to aim his life’s work at impacting one billion people, and why that goal forced him to think differently about scale, technology, and leadership.

    Michael and Khan talk honestly about what breaks when healthcare grows. Why pilots succeed but systems fail. Why trust erodes even when the data improves. And why many leaders confuse more tools with better decisions.

    This episode is for people who carry responsibility in healthcare. People making decisions with real consequences. People who want systems that hold up when pressure is real.

    You will not leave with a checklist.

    You will leave thinking more clearly about what actually matters.

    👥 Who This Episode Is For

    * Leaders who feel the weight of decisions that do not have clean answers

    * Operators tired of tools that promise change but do not follow through

    * Founders trying to build for scale without losing trust

    * Investors who care about durability, not noise

    * Anyone trying to lead with judgment under pressure

    https://www.hoppr.ai/

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/hopprai/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/khansiddiqui/

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    59 mins
  • E172 | Why Healthcare Breaks at the Handoffs with Effie Carlson
    Jan 29 2026

    In this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, host Michael Stamatinos sits down with Effie Carlson, CEO of Watershed Health, for a candid conversation on why healthcare struggles with coordination and what it truly takes to align complex systems around patients.

    Effie Carlson shares her unique perspective, shaped by decades of experience across payers, providers, and healthcare operations, as well as her personal journey as a parent navigating the NICU. Together, they explore why healthcare often breaks down at transitions of care, why alignment remains elusive despite good intentions, and how fragmented incentives continue to slow progress.

    The conversation goes beyond technology buzzwords and dashboards. Effie explains how Watershed Health was built to serve the people doing the work on the front lines, focusing on workflow realities, trust, and community-level collaboration. She discusses why details matter in healthcare, how belief impacts adoption, and why sustainable innovation requires patience, discipline, and strong fundamentals.

    Listeners will also hear real-world examples of healthcare ecosystems working together, including community-driven collaboration efforts in Austin, Texas. The episode touches on leadership, growth, resilience, and the balance between strong business outcomes and meaningful patient outcomes.

    This episode is ideal for healthcare executives, operators, founders, clinicians, and investors who want a grounded, real-world view of healthcare innovation, care coordination, and leadership in complex systems.

    Topics covered include:

    Healthcare care coordination and system alignment

    Leadership lessons from healthcare operators

    Digital health infrastructure and adoption

    Frontline workflows and technology design

    Building trust across healthcare ecosystems

    Lessons from community-based healthcare collaboration

    About the guest and Watershed Health:

    Effie Carlson is the CEO of Watershed Health, a healthcare technology company focused on enabling real-time collaboration across payers, providers, public health, and community organizations. Her work centers on building infrastructure that supports continuity of care and shared accountability across healthcare systems.

    https://watershedhealth.com/

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/watershed-health/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/effie-carlson-04b52986/

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    36 mins
  • E171 | Healthcare Has No Offseason — Brian Ferguson, CEO of Arena Labs
    Jan 21 2026

    Healthcare runs on people who keep showing up. This episode asks a simple question: who is taking care of them?

    On this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, host Michael Stamatinos sits down with Brian Ferguson, CEO of Arena Labs and former Navy SEAL officer, for a grounded and personal conversation about service, pressure, and what it takes to last in healthcare.

    Brian has spent over two decades inside elite teams across national security, special operations, and professional sports. In this conversation, he draws clear parallels between those worlds and the frontlines of healthcare—emergency rooms, ICUs, and operating rooms—where there is no offseason and little room to recover.

    Together, they explore what Brian calls the Service Archetype. The small group of people in any society who raise their hand to serve others. In healthcare, that calling is constant. And without the right tools, it comes at a cost.

    This episode covers:

    * Why healthcare has normalized exhaustion

    * The difference between endurance and real strength

    * How performance science from the military and sports can help clinicians recover

    * What Predictive Performance means in real life

    * The meaning behind Teddy Roosevelt’s Man in the Arena

    * Why standards only matter if they protect people when no one is watching

    This is a quiet, honest conversation about leadership, burnout, recovery, and responsibility. It speaks directly to clinicians and healthcare leaders who carry the work and rarely talk about the toll.

    If this episode resonates, consider subscribing, sharing it with someone you care about, or taking a moment to reflect on how you protect the people who serve.

    🔗 Follow Arena Labs:

    🌐 https://arenalabs.co/

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/arena-labs/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-ferguson-arena-labs/

    https://www.instagram.com/arenalabs/?hl=en

    https://x.com/arena_labs

    👥 Who This Episode Is For

    * Clinicians who feel tired but stay committed

    * Healthcare leaders responsible for teams under pressure

    * Operators trying to balance outcomes with human cost

    * Founders and investors focused on long-term impact

    * Anyone who believes service deserves protection

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    55 mins
  • E170 | From MySpace to Healthcare AI: Aber Whitcomb, CEO of Salt AI
    Jan 7 2026

    In this episode of the Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show, host Michael Stamatinos sits down with Aber Whitcomb, CEO of Salt AI and co-founder of MySpace, for an in-depth conversation on building at massive scale, navigating pressure, and applying real AI engineering to healthcare and life sciences.

    Aber Whitcomb has been at the center of multiple technology inflection points. From helping architect MySpace during its explosive, nonlinear growth to now leading Salt AI as an enterprise-grade AI operating system, his perspective is thoughtful, calm, and grounded in experience earned the hard way.

    This episode explores what it truly feels like to build when there is no playbook. The conversation moves from behind-the-scenes stories of early internet infrastructure and data-center failures, to modern challenges around enterprise AI, proprietary data, security, and trust inside healthcare and pharma.

    Rather than focusing on hype, this discussion centers on substance: product velocity, leadership under pressure, and where AI can genuinely create lift for organizations operating in highly regulated environments.

    Topics covered in this episode include:

    • Aber Whitcomb’s early journey into computing and systems thinking

    • Lessons from scaling MySpace before modern cloud infrastructure existed

    • What pressure looks like when uptime determines survival

    • Why healthcare and life sciences drew Aber into the industry

    • Enterprise AI, proprietary data, and security inside pharma

    • Product velocity vs. trust in regulated environments

    • What should — and should not — be automated in healthcare

    • AI skepticism, scientific rigor, and drug discovery

    • Building teams of true 10x engineers

    • Defining success beyond investor decks and valuations

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    The Advancing Healthcare Innovation Show is hosted by Michael Stamatinos, a nationally recognized connector, strategist, and advocate for innovation with purpose. Each week, Michael interviews healthcare leaders who are driving meaningful change—highlighting stories of access, resilience, equity, and transformation.

    The AHI Show started with the idea of wanting to highlight stories of what healthcare innovation truly looks like in action. Our mission, highlight real people who are really innovating within healthcare. Guests include healthcare entrepreneurs, providers, payers, and professionals from the investment community. We showcase little wins as well as valuable lessons learned from setbacks through these interviews. The real innovators in healthcare are often the ones in the trenches doing the work with razor-sharp focus. We find these innovators and bring their stories to light.

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    32 mins