We speak with Caleb Collier of the Church and State Podcast about his background, how he got into libertarian and constitutional circles, and why he started his show. We also discuss privacy and digital security tools, including Graphene OS, encrypted messaging, VPNs, and other ways to reduce surveillance. We spend much of the episode on political tribalism, especially within conservatism and the Republican Party, along with U.S. foreign policy, military bases, intervention, debt, and the effects of war. We then turn to the church, warning about political Christianity and urging Christians to put Christ above nation, politics, and ideology while studying Scripture for themselves.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:32 Welcome, Updates, and Guest Intro
02:58 Interview Start
04:16 Cult Roots and Politics
06:26 From Marines to City Hall
07:41 Privacy in a Surveillance Age
11:08 Conservatism’s Big Government Trap
17:52 Empire or Republic?
22:42 Foreign Policy and Peace
27:26 Church, Trump, and False Power
33:15 Patriotism in Proper Order
40:30 Faith and Libertarian Debates
43:57 Massey Versus MAGA
47:58 Roads, Parks, and Liberty
50:47 Biblical Resistance to State Power
52:01 Covenants Shape Politics
55:11 Read the Gospels More
57:45 Wrap-Up
58:49 Outro

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Jacob returns after a long hiatus to discuss recent life changes, plans for a more regular release schedule, and a few previously recorded interviews that will be released soon. He also focuses on the tension between Christian faith, political action, and the use of power, reflecting on the costs of political engagement and arguing for a third way: Christians should rely on persuasion, service, and sacrifice rather than coercion. He also discusses the limits of state power, the dangers of political violence, and the importance of the church in caring for the poor, the elderly, and the vulnerable. He concludes by returning to the gospel as the answer to cultural decay, calling Christians to humility, neighbor-love, and a greater priority on the kingdom of God than political identity.

Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:32 Updates After a Long Hiatus
4:18 Christian Nationalism Question
13:09 Cost of Power
22:37 Church and Social Care
33:41 Force and Gospel
37:44 Freedom and Culture
43:24 Guns and Conscience
50:35 Closing Prayer

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Christian anarchism holds that loyalty to Christ and loyalty to the American state are not the same thing -- and may be in direct conflict. In this episode of the Biblical Anarchy Podcast, Jacob Winograd sits down with Craig Hargis of the Bad Roman Project to work through what Christian anarchism actually claims, why the Sermon on the Mount functions as its theological foundation, and what it costs to take that position seriously. They cover the early church's understanding of allegiance, the Romans 13 debate, Christian pacifism, and the hard question of whether Christians should vote at all -- including Jacob's honest reckoning with his own 2024 vote and what he got wrong. If you have ever wondered whether being a faithful Christian requires you to be a bad American, this conversation is for you.

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