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The Convocation Unscripted

The Convocation Unscripted

Written by: Diana Butler Bass Kristin Du Mez Robert P. Jones and Jemar Tisby
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Welcome to "The Convocation Unscripted," a free-wheeling conversation between Diana Butler Bass, Kristin Du Mez, Robert P. Jones, and Jemar Tisby. We are each scholars (three historians and one sociologist) who write about religion and its intersection with culture, history, and politics in America. We also each take our own Christian faith seriously and are deeply concerned about the future of both democracy and Christianity in the U.S. Most importantly, over the years, we’ve found ourselves to be not just fellow travelers but friends. This is the video/podcast component of our unique Substack magazine "The Convocation," which you can subscribe to here: https://convocation.substack.com/

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  • The Convocation Unscripted LIVE Q & A

    The Convocation Unscripted LIVE Q & A
    Jan 9 2026

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  • MAGA Vanity and Advent Humility

    MAGA Vanity and Advent Humility
    Dec 19 2025

    This week we discuss the explosive Vanity Fair article and accompanying photographs that reveal unflattering images of Trump administration officials, including Susie Wiles, Marco Rubio, and Karoline Leavitt. The photographer, Christopher Anderson, defended his work as authentic journalism rather than celebrity-style portraiture. The article and the backslash against it exposed the vanity and vulnerability of authoritarian regimes, who need to maintain the facade of power. We talk about how this vanity is at odds with the humility of Advent and how the White House and the Department of Homeland Security have distorted and defiled the message of Christmas to celebrate the cruelty of their mass deportation scheme. We close by highlighting a recent “Choose Love, Not ICE” ad—produced by Interfaith Alliance in partnership with Protect Democracy and set to the tune of “O Holy Night”—is pushing back.


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    54 mins
  • The Moment Trump’s Panic Became Visible

    The Moment Trump’s Panic Became Visible
    Dec 5 2025

    Why his latest rants signal a deeper unraveling

    We’re living in a moment where authoritarian power is panicking, elites are hiding, and ordinary people are the ones finding their voice.


    You could read Trump’s outburst against Somali immigrants as just another racist rant.


    But if you listen more closely you can also hear it as a panic siren from an authoritarian project that knows it’s slipping, even as everyday people quietly find their courage again.


    Trump’s racist tirade against Somali immigrants wasn’t new, but as Diana Butler Bass, Kristin Du Mez, and I unpacked on this episode of The Convocation Unscripted, it landed differently.


    This wasn’t just more ugly rhetoric. It sounded like fear. It sounded like a regime running out of tricks and grasping for one of its oldest tools: dehumanizing immigrants to rally its base.


    But while the president doubles down, something else is happening on the ground.


    Diana described a subtle but powerful shift in public spaces. Strangers are groaning out loud at the news, trading comments in security lines, and saying what they used to only text in group chats.


    In places like Chicago, Nashville, and beyond, people aren’t just talking—they’re organizing, marching, and even turning Home Depot product returns into a protest tactic.


    Meanwhile, the elites—on both sides of the aisle—feel further away than ever.


    Bubble-wrapped in security details, donor circles, and curated media, they seem unable or unwilling to name what’s happening: an authoritarian movement testing the limits daily, and a public that is more awake than the political class wants to admit.


    Kristin put it bluntly: they keep pushing because they keep getting away with it.


    When there finally is pushback—a lawsuit, an impeachment article, a rare moment of moral clarity—the response is denial, distraction, or outright lies. But beneath that, the fear is showing. The grip is loosening.


    If you want to hear how all this connects to Advent, empire, and light breaking through the darkness, you’ll want to watch the full conversation.


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