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The Horsemen

The Horsemen

Written by: Matthew West Dakota Leming Curtis Ashmore Jacob Nicoletti
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The Horsemen is what happens when four pastors sit down for a quick chat and completely forget where the main point went. Equal parts theology, candid friendship, and unscripted tangents, this is a show about loving Jesus, serving the church, and genuinely loving people without taking ourselves too seriously. We are here to disrupt the status quo, challenge tired paradigms, and remind you that faith can be both deeply meaningful and deeply fun. Tune in for honest conversations, unexpected detours, and a raw look at life, ministry, and brotherhood.

2026 Matthew West, Dakota Leming, Curtis Ashmore, Jacob Nicoletti
Christianity Ministry & Evangelism Spirituality
Episodes
  • The Greatest Hits!
    Oct 9 2026

    The Horsemen Podcast's live episode titled 'Greatest Hits' features the hosts sharing their favorite memories, discussing pop culture, and engaging in a fun movie sequel draft.

    The conversation flows through various topics, including personal anecdotes, TV shows, and the significance of certain films in their lives. The conversation revolves around personal experiences and reflections on significant moments in life, particularly focusing on memorable days, childhood memories, and the importance of conversations with loved ones. The hosts share anecdotes about their lives, including moments of joy, bonding, and realizations that come with hindsight.

    The conversation reflects on the significance of personal relationships, shared experiences, and the profound impact of seemingly mundane moments in life. It emphasizes the importance of being present, cherishing memories, and learning from life's inconveniences while also discussing valuable life advice.


    Takeaways

    • Engaging discussions on nostalgia
    • Movie sequels as cultural touchstones Significant moments often go unnoticed
    • Childhood memories shape our lives Cherish everyday moments
    • Learn from life's inconveniences


    Chapters

    • 00:00 Welcome to the Horsemen Podcast
    • 02:14 Pop Culture Highlights and Personal Anecdotes
    • 13:28 Greatest Hits of Our Lives
    • 15:22 The Movie Sequel Draft Begins
    • 27:13 Defending Our Sequel Choices
    • 33:27 The Importance of Connection
    • 43:54 Reflecting on Life's Greatest Hits
    • 52:14 Cherished Childhood Memories
    • 01:04:08 Realizations Through Hindsight
    • 01:07:57 The Importance of Shared Memories
    • 01:11:32 Cherishing Relationships and Conversations
    • 01:14:37 Life's Inconveniences as Opportunities
    • 01:17:01 Valuable Life Advice and Lessons
    • 01:29:25 Reflections on Life's Journey
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    1 hr and 42 mins
  • Pastors on Pastors: Pastoral Burnout
    Oct 2 2026

    In this episode of the Horseman Podcast Matt, Curtis, Dakota, and Jacob interview John Mark Smithson.

    John Mark opens up about his personal battle with ministry burnout, shedding light on a struggle that many church leaders face but rarely talk about. The conversation dives into the heavy weight of pastoral expectations, the isolation that comes with the job, and why the church community needs to break the stigma around mental health.

    John Mark also shares his journey through faith deconstruction and reconstruction, explaining how he stepped away from traditional church structures to find rest. The discussion explores a shift toward organic home church movements, emphasizing that real ministry is built on authentic, vulnerable relationships and finding God outside conventional settings rather than chasing titles or traditional formats.

    Main Takeaways

    • The hidden crisis: Pastoral burnout is incredibly common, making open conversations about mental health essential for church leaders.
    • Redefining church: True ministry exists far beyond the pulpit and conventional church walls, often thriving in smaller, organic home settings.
    • Prioritizing soul care: Leaders need genuine spiritual rest and authentic relationships over traditional church obligations.
    • The power of stepping back: Finding a real encounter with God sometimes requires deconstructing old traditions to rediscover your foundational faith.

    Key Moments

    • 10:06 – Facing Burnout: Diving into what burnout actually feels like in ministry and sharing personal experiences with isolation.
    • 26:51 – The Identity Trap: Discussing the heavy burden of expectations and how hard it is to balance a pastoral identity with real life.
    • 39:21 – Life After Ministry: Navigating the transition out of traditional church culture and redefining life beyond job titles.
    • 01:04:00 – The Home Church Shift: Exploring the home church movement as a more personal, organic way to build community.
    • 01:34:46 – Rebuilding Faith: A look at the journey of deconstruction, the power of vulnerability, and rediscovering a foundational love for faith.
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    1 hr and 54 mins
  • Pastors on Pastors: Young Ministers
    Sep 25 2026

    Headline:
    What does it really take to carry the mantle of ministry at a young age?

    In this episode of Pastors on Pastors, The HorseMen are joined by special guest Jeremy Singleton for a transparent and powerful conversation about the realities, challenges, and adversities faced by young ministers in their respective fields.

    The guys dive deep into the heart of modern ministry, covering everything from the biblical basis for young ministers to navigating age-related pushback and doubt. They share personal insights on how to handle conflict with understanding and grace, the absolute necessity of structural mentorship, and why "tactical patience" and humility are your greatest assets when waiting on the Lord.Takeaways

    • Youthful Ministry Challenges
    • Adversity in Ministry Mentorship is crucial
    • Dealing with pushback and challenges
    • Tactical patience and humility Mentorship and guidance are crucial for young ministers
    • The importance of being faithful and confident in one's calling


    Chapters

    • 00:00 Introduction and Ministry Updates
    • 00:52 The Importance of Church Membership
    • 01:21 Preparing for UP Camp Meeting
    • 02:15 Revival Kickoff and Pressing Forward
    • 03:01 Unity and Fellowship in Church Planting
    • 03:30 Handling Adversity as a Young Minister
    • 04:27 Dealing with Age-Related Pushback
    • 07:00 Biblical Basis for Young Ministers
    • 09:16 Facing Challenges Due to Age in Ministry
    • 10:17 Handling Adversity and Pushback
    • 11:18 Overcoming Age-Related Challenges
    • 12:10 Addressing Age-Related Conflict
    • 13:04 Facing Pushback and Doubt in Ministry
    • 14:14 Understanding the Weight of Ministry
    • 15:09 Proving Qualification Through Example
    • 16:16 Demonstrating Leadership and Conduct
    • 17:14 Proving Readiness and Ability in Ministry
    • 18:11 Being an Example in Ministry
    • 19:18 Demonstrating Rootedness in the Word
    • 20:16 Proving Heart Posture and Ability
    • 21:13 Demonstrating Spiritual Conduct
    • 23:26 Facing Pushback and Challenges
    • 47:05 The Importance of Mentorship
    • 51:13 Tactical Patience and Humility
    • 55:10 The Role of Mentors and Guidance
    • 56:01 The Fear of Expectations and the Chip on the Shoulder
    • 59:29 The Maturity and Confidence of Young Ministers
    • 01:02:39 The Importance of Spiritual Maturity and Waiting on the Lord
    • 01:15:25 The Impact of Spousal Support on Ministry
    • 01:19:09 The Giveaway Announcement and Closing Remarks
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    1 hr and 15 mins
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