The apps in your pocket are built to keep you. A behavioral scientist explains how to tell when technology is caring for you and when it is quietly working you over.

Eden Brownell works at the intersection of behavioral science and AI. She started in theater, moved through the foster care system and public health, and now studies how the systems around us shape the choices we make. Rex Wallace sits down with her to pull apart one uncomfortable question: are the tools transforming our lives designed to help us, or to hold us in place?

They get into the difference between empathy and persuasion on a screen, why good design makes it easy to leave, the dark patterns hiding inside everyday apps, and what we lose when we hand off our ability to choose. Eden also shares something personal about connection, patience, and what AI can and cannot be for the people who use it.

If you lead a team, build a product, or care about the human on the other end of the technology, this one will stay with you.

In this episode:

• Why behavioral science has to lead AI, not follow it
• The difference between caring about members and caring about numbers
• Context beats character: designing for the person at their lowest
• The dark patterns we live with, from autoplay to the cancellation maze
• What we lose when we outsource our choices
• Connection, patience, and what a machine cannot be

Books mentioned: Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman, Grit by Angela Duckworth

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Healthy relationships are mismatched 70% of the time. That's not a problem to fix. According to today's guest, it's the whole design.

Dr. Claudia Gold is a pediatrician and co-author of The Power of Discord with Dr. Ed Tronick, the researcher behind the famous Still Face experiment. Their work shows that the out-of-sync, messy, imperfect moments in any relationship are where trust actually gets built.

Rex and Claudia get into what that means at work: why curiosity beats certainty, what emotional absence looks like on a team, why "good enough" is essential and not just acceptable, and why "not knowing" might be the most underrated skill a leader can develop.

If you've ever felt a working relationship go sideways and didn't know how to fix it, this one's for you.

Find Claudia: ClaudiaMGoldMD.com | LinkedIn: ClaudiaMGold

What if the most underrated leadership skill isn't emotional intelligence, executive presence, or strategic thinking — it's a sense of humor?

Paul Osincup spent 15 years researching exactly that. He's a keynote speaker, author of The Humor Habit, and host of the Laugh or Death podcast — and his work with Google, Harvard, and hundreds of other organizations makes a case that humor isn't a soft skill. It's a survival skill.

In this episode, we dig into what it actually means to live and lead in a VUCA world — volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous — and why humor might be the most direct path to resilience, connection, and psychological safety on your team.

What we cover:
Why laughter nosedives at age 23 and doesn't recover until nearly 80 — and what that costs us

Humorous reappraisal: the Stanford-backed technique for reframing setbacks (even grief)

The DOSE chemicals humor releases — and why shared laughter creates real trust

A Berkeley study that shows strangers who laugh together like each other more — immediately

The humor triangle: which types of humor build connection vs. which ones blow it up

Why self-deprecating humor is low-risk — unless you're a surgeon joking about being clumsy

The 4 P's: Permission + Participation = Psychological Safety
The "humor jar" — a dead-simple team ritual to double the ROI of funny moments

One 7-day habit that increased happiness and reduced depressive symptoms for up to six months

Paul also shares the story of losing his mom — and how finding humor in even that moment changed his relationship with resilience. It's the most honest thing in this episode.
The quote that started this conversation: "Don't live your life as an actor in a drama just to reach the end and find out you were the director — and it could have been a comedy."
Connect with Paul:
🌐 thehumorhabit.com
📚 The Humor Habit — available wherever books are sold
🎙️ Laugh or Death Podcast
Connect with Rex & The HumanUp Imperative:
🌐 [RWC Consulting website]
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