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  • EP 345 Worldviews: Tyson Yunkaporta on Ceremony, Skepticism, and Seeing in 3D

    EP 345 Worldviews: Tyson Yunkaporta on Ceremony, Skepticism, and Seeing in 3D
    May 28 2026
    Jim talks with Tyson Yunkaporta—indigenous Australian scholar and author of Sand Talk, one of Jim's top ten favorite books—about his metaphysics and worldview, the ecology of sex and creation, and how to wear rationalist and traditional knowledge frameworks simultaneously. They discuss: Jim's editorial endorsement of Sand Talk—"one of the top 10 best books I have ever read" Tyson's trilogy of books Humans as a custodial species—sacred carers embedded in nature Who Tyson is when he wakes from deep sleep Tyson's experience under general anesthesia—ten thousand years of deep dark oblivion How Jim shifted Tyson toward rationality and evidence-based thinking Tyson's reassessment of peer review and collective scientific inquiry as similar to Indigenous processes of collective knowledge-building Tyson's late initiation into the Apalech clan The distinction between "knowledge systems" and "knowledge of systems" Color blindness as a biological advantage in traditional systems knowledge What's missing in people who haven't gone through full initiation Men's "belly spirit" (nenwi) and "spirit womb" in the Apalech tradition Images and ghosts—the shadow spirit as ego, and how infinite self-replication on social media drains the spirit Tyson's cousin Eric becoming a viral meme and TikTok phenomenon Forager social operating systems and mechanisms to prevent dominant individuals Aboriginal law's three core rights Sex as the center of everything Tyson's response to Plato's Cave Dreamtime and songlines as mistranslations Dreamtime as not an altered state but a continuous orientation The irony of mutual influence—Tyson becoming a rationalist skeptic partly through Jim; Jim becoming more open to spirit partly through Tyson The 3D glasses metaphor for wearing Indigenous and rationalist-materialist lenses simultaneously … and much more. Links Episode Transcript Snake Talk: How the World’s Ancient Serpent Stories Can Guide Us, by Tyson Yunkaporta and Megan Kelleher Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta Right Story, Wrong Story, by Tyson Yunkaporta JRS EP 282 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Law, Lore, and Learning JRS Currents 032 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Spirits, GameB & Protopias JRS EP 65 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Complexity JRS EP 66 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Indigenous Knowledge JRS Currents 010 - Tyson Yunkaporta on Humans As Custodial Species "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt Bio Dr. Tyson Yunkaporta is an Aboriginal scholar, founder of the Indigenous Knowledge Systems Lab at Deakin University in Melbourne, and author of Sand Talk; Right Story, Wrong Story; and Snake Talk. His work focuses on applying Indigenous methods of inquiry to resolve complex issues and explore global crises.
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    57 mins
  • EP 344 Lisa Buckingham on Hiring for the AI Era

    EP 344 Lisa Buckingham on Hiring for the AI Era
    May 26 2026
    Jim talks with Lisa Buckingham—a veteran HR leader at Vialto Partners, US Soccer, Lincoln Financial, and Thomson—about how the LLM era is reshaping hiring and job architecture, and how companies and workers can roll with the changes. They discuss: Jim and Lisa's shared history in natural language processing labs thirty years ago—and the contrast with today, where "everybody can be an AI expert" The kind of people to hire in the age of LLMs: intellectual curiosity, learning agility, and willingness to work differently "Trust the machine, but always validate"—the principle of embracing AI while maintaining human oversight COVID as an accelerant of technology adoption Workforce adoption realities at Vialto—evangelists, pessimists, and the change management challenge Shark Tank-style internal AI contests as a model for engaging employees with new tools Why the "future of work" is dead Programmers and product managers merging roles; job architectures flattening into skills-based, fluid inventories AI's historical weight—"as pivotal as electricity"—and the limits of anyone's ability to predict machine learning's trajectory Jim's "what, when" framework and the twin failure modes of AI projects "Test and learn" as the right posture toward AI transformation, and whose responsibility "what, when" actually is—CEO, CTO, and sales as a coalition The productivity multiplier for programmers—7–10x gains—and Jim's argument that demand for software could actually increase total programmer headcount Why sales jobs are probably not highly "AI-able" anytime soon, and what salespeople need to communicate to retain relevance Lisa's personal use of Claude and Copilot 365 The leveling effect of AI for non-STEM people Jim's argument (since November 2022) that top liberal arts graduates are the most natural prompt engineers Lisa's 1999 Georgetown thesis—"Are liberal arts majors the answer to the .com era worker shortage?"—and its uncanny parallel to the 2026 humanities debate The education paradox: how Lisa's son was banned from using AI in class but required to be an AI expert for his summer internship The calculator analogy, and whether AI in education follows the same arc Resistance to the AI voice in writing Jim's technique for capturing stylistic tendencies with AI The rising costs of frictional bureaucracy and the unreasonable effectiveness of small teams What Lisa saw on a recent safari about what AI can't replace, and the choice between evolving and being overtaken Learning agility as the core HR question—how to handle employees who cannot or will not embrace AI The shifting meaning of "owning your work" … and much more. Links: Episode Transcript Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI, by Ethan Mollick The Elements of Style, by William Strunk Jr. and E.B. White Bio: Lisa M. Buckingham is a globally recognized human resources executive with over twenty-five years of experience leading people, culture, and transformation strategies across complex, mission-driven organizations. As Chief People & Culture Officer for Vialto, she oversees the company’s global people strategy, driving organizational performance and advancing a culture of inclusion and agility that supports Vialto’s purpose of helping people thrive in a global, mobile world.
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    55 mins
  • EP 343 Worldviews: Peter Wang on the Metaphysics of Quality, Sucker’s Bets, and Ofness

    EP 343 Worldviews: Peter Wang on the Metaphysics of Quality, Sucker’s Bets, and Ofness
    May 19 2026
    Jim talks with Peter Wang—chief AI officer, cofounder and CEO of Anaconda, board member of the Center for Humane Technology, and founder of the Austin STEM Center—about Robert Pirsig's metaphysics of quality, how modernity encourages defection, and a secular conception of the sacred. They discuss: Peter's self-description as "the music in a violin that can kind of hear itself" The "Peter Wang-shaped hole in the universe" thought experiment Subject-object Cartesian dualism as a false alienation Minimum viable metaphysics & atheistic agnosticism Religion as an evolutionary emergent coherence mechanism for human collectives Figure and ground as a metaphysical lens—the anonymous soil that allows religion to sprout The Unix fortune "Man was invented by water to carry itself uphill" & Peter's teleology origin story Process metaphysics & presentism—"we're not going anywhere, we're becoming someone" Pirsig's metaphysics of quality & the four strata of static patterns of value The intellectual plane vs. the social plane & Ken Wilber's pre-trans fallacy Defection within collaborative groups as the dynamic all human social systems try to constrain "Death from a Distance"—throwing, beta coalitions & the emergence of a middle class of power Modernity's shrinking locus of care & the collapse of embedded social context The agglomeration of defectors & how fluid capital enables sociopathic hoarding Money-on-money return as today's dominant pruning rule Joint attention as a scarce collective resource & social media's perforation of shared intersubjective infrastructure Human agency & "micro-abdications" as the aggregate source of Moloch / Game A The augmented currency thought experiment—metering human thriving alongside financial returns Broken collective sense-making & the search for dynamic, adaptable values Peter's secular conception of the sacred—the "eternal golden braid of humanity" "Ofness"—holding both distinctness and belonging to the world ... and much more. Links: Episode Transcript JRS EP 278 Peter Wang on AI, Copyright, and the Future of Intelligence JRS Currents 092: Peter Wang on The Meaning Crisis and Consequentiality JRS EP 16 Anaconda CTO Peter Wang on The Distributed Internet "The Silent Sky and the Test Ahead," by Jim Rutt "A Minimum Viable Metaphysics," by Jim Rutt Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert M. Pirsig Lila: An Inquiry into Morals, by Robert M. Pirsig Chaos: Making a New Science, by James Gleick Death from a Distance and the Birth of a Humane Universe, by Paul M. Bingham and Joanne Souza The Selfish Gene, by Richard Dawkins Center for Humane Technology Peter Wang is the Chief AI and Innovation Officer and Co-founder of Anaconda. Peter leads Anaconda’s AI Incubator, which focuses on advancing core Python technologies and developing new frontiers in open-source AI and machine learning, especially in the areas of edge computing, data privacy, and decentralized computing.
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    1 hr and 26 mins
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