Too many law firm owners believe the solution to their problems is more leads—but that mindset often leads to burnout, inefficiency, and frustration. In this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey is joined by Jordan Ostroff to unpack the idea of “leads to lifestyle” and why intentional growth matters more than raw volume.

Jordan shares his journey from prosecutor to firm owner to coach, including how cutting a massive marketing budget barely impacted revenue but completely transformed his quality of life. Together, they explore how intake, profitability, case selection, and personal vision play a bigger role in long-term success than flashy marketing tactics.

This episode is a must-listen for law firm owners who want clarity, sustainability, and a firm that supports—not controls—their life.

Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit.

• (00:00:00) - Managing Partners Podcast
• (00:01:59) - Jordan on Love Youe Law Firm, Second Edition
• (00:04:56) - How to Get Out of Jail: Marketing
• (00:06:16) - How to Make a Living as an Attorney
• (00:09:10) - Looking Ahead: How to Grow Your Law Firm?
• (00:14:13) - How to Start a Firm with a New Lawyer
• (00:19:03) - Don't Waste Time on Conferences
• (00:21:15) - How to Love the Journey
• (00:25:54) - Married Business People Talk About Their Personal Lives
• (00:28:51) - Confessions of an Extrovert Law Firm Owner
• (00:32:58) - In the Elevator With Introverts
• (00:34:44) - Jordan Ostrovs' New Book
• (00:35:39) - Covid Digital's Christmas Party
• (00:36:51) - Interview With Jordan

• (00:00:00) - The Managing Partners Podcast
• (00:02:14) - Can You Tell More About Your Law Firm?
• (00:07:29) - How to Build a Strong Partnerial Partnership
• (00:10:53) - 7 critical things employees need to know about their firm
• (00:11:43) - The Chick Fil A Law Firm Values
• (00:15:16) - 7 Critical Needs of Employees for EOS
• (00:19:09) - Hiring the Right People for the Core Values
• (00:24:30) - What Makes a Law Firm So Well-Off?
• (00:27:40) - Six Rules for Protecting Your Culture
• (00:31:34) - Fractional HR: Paying the Right People
• (00:33:26) - 7 critical needs for employees at your firm

Budgeting is one of the most overlooked and most critical skills for law firm owners. In this episode, Kevin Daisey is joined by Leah Miller, a fractional CFO who specializes in law firms, to break down how lawyers can finally get clarity around cash flow, expenses, marketing spend, and profitability.

They discuss why so many firms struggle with budgeting, especially contingency and personal injury practices, and how simply reviewing your financial statements monthly can transform decision-making. Leah Miller shares practical frameworks for building a realistic budget, determining your true breakeven point, managing uneven cash flow, and avoiding common financial traps.

You’ll also learn how budgeting impacts marketing, hiring, tax planning, and long-term growth, and why having the right financial conversations early can save years of stress later.

Today’s episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind.

Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit.

If you’re a law firm owner who wants to stop guessing and start leading with confidence, this episode is a must-listen.

• (00:00:00) - The Best Lawyers: Managing Partners Podcast
• (00:00:37) - Budgeting for Law Firm Executives
• (00:01:47) - How to Manage a Law Firm
• (00:05:49) - Law Firm Business Financials
• (00:10:35) - Budgeting for Marketing
• (00:13:39) - How to Manage Cash Flow in the Firm
• (00:16:38) - How many months of cash should a firm have on hand?
• (00:21:31) - How to Run a Business with a Roth IRA
• (00:27:34) - CFO vs Law Firm CFO: Making Smart Decisions
• (00:30:54) - Leah on Connecting With People

What does it really take to build a law firm that lasts?

In this episode of the Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with Brian Beckcom of VB Attorneys to discuss how his firm has thrived for more than 20 years with the same partner, the same team, and a clear philosophy around trust, systems, and growth. Brian shares hard-earned lessons from big law, plaintiff-side practice, digital marketing evolution, and why equal partnerships matter more than revenue splits.

They also dive into remote work, firm culture, accountability, AI in legal practice, and what law firm owners must do today to build a business that doesn’t depend on them every minute of the day.

Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit.

This episode is a must-listen for law firm owners, managing partners, and attorneys thinking long-term about leadership and sustainability.

In this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with Will Brooks of Leduc Entertainment to talk about authentic content creation for law firm owners. Will shares his powerful mindset shifts on overcoming fear, starting imperfectly, and finding your authentic voice on camera. Learn how attorneys can use social media, podcasts, and local partnerships to grow their brands and build genuine community engagement.

Discover why “your first episode will suck, and that’s okay,” and how to create endless content ideas that connect locally while growing your practice.

Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit.

• (00:00:00) - Law Firm Leadership: Think Big
• (00:00:33) - Law Firm Podcast
• (00:02:09) - Legal Marketing in the Comedy Studio
• (00:05:58) - Getting Back in Front of the Camera
• (00:11:40) - Lawyers: The Networking Power of Podcasts
• (00:17:26) - How to Make Content Fun
• (00:20:56) - How to start a social media page
• (00:23:03) - Referral Producers: Don't Get Out of Touch With
• (00:28:43) - Local Businesses on XYZ Law Firm Podcast
• (00:31:52) - 5 Tips for Becoming a Fantasy Football Champion
• (00:33:22) - How to Reach Out to Leduc Entertainment

In today’s episode of the Managing Partners Podcast, Kevin Daisey sits down with legal business development expert Steve Fretzin to break down the real reasons law firms struggle with growth — and the simple shifts that can transform your pipeline, profitability, and client quality.

Steve dives into his sales-free selling approach, revealing why most attorneys jump into pitching too fast, fail to qualify effectively, and overlook the deeper business issues holding them back. From intake breakdowns to bad client fit, outdated marketing assumptions, and lack of consistent networking, Steve and Kevin show law firm owners how to regain control and build a healthier, more scalable practice.

You’ll learn how to ask better questions, diagnose problems before offering solutions, avoid time-wasters, say “no” sooner, and create a prospect pipeline that lets you attract the clients you want — not the ones you’re stuck with.

Today's episode is sponsored by The Managing Partners Mastermind. Click here to schedule an interview to see if we’re a fit.

• (00:00:00) - Management Partners Podcast
• (00:03:21) - The Art of Business Development
• (00:07:23) - How to Get Out of a Contract With a Law Firm
• (00:08:48) - How to Approach a Client about a PPC Problem
• (00:14:23) - How to Get Out of a Limbo
• (00:19:59) - On Business and the Podcast
• (00:21:50) - Lawyers Need Business Development
• (00:26:43) - The Importance of Willingness and Ability
• (00:30:19) - How to Win with a Reasonable Price
• (00:32:53) - How to Sell Law Firms to Your Lawyers
• (00:37:30) - Business Development, Part 2
• (00:37:47) - How to grow your firm with social media
• (00:39:06) - Jimmy Kimmel on Collaborating With People

In this episode from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy speaks with Josh Sanford, founder of multiple law firms and co-founder of Lexamica. Josh shares how he built the first YouTube-first law firm in partnership with the Legal Eagle channel and how his software platform manages high-volume referrals from millions of social media viewers. He explains how Lexamica connects clients nationwide with qualified attorneys and how outbound referral management can be automated for large firms. Josh also discusses his additional firms, content strategy, and the growing role of organic social reach in legal case acquisition.

Live from Law-Di-Gras, Kevin Daisy interviews Stuart Foster to uncover how fractional CMOs help law firms build real marketing engines. Stuart explains why most firms struggle with long term marketing strategy and why hiring agencies without internal leadership often leads to frustration and inconsistency. He shares how a fractional CMO evaluates the entire marketing ecosystem, aligns the law firm’s goals with the right mix of channels, and works collaboratively with agencies to ensure the plan actually produces results. This episode breaks down the difference between SEO, branding, paid media, reviews, community presence, and referral systems and shows how they work together to fuel predictable growth for modern law firms.