Sarina and Seth sit down with leadership coach and neuro-affirming practitioner Kathryn Martens, founder of Release Leadership. Kathryn shares her own recent ADHD diagnosis, her journey supporting neurodivergent leaders, and why traditional leadership models often fail those with “spicy brains.”

We talk about the rise in global neurodivergence awareness, the difference between neurodivergence and mental health, and why psychological safety is now legally mandated for Australian workplaces. Kathryn also explores how leaders can integrate head, heart and body intelligence, avoid burnout, and create healthier, more human work cultures.

If you're a leader, neurodivergent, parenting kids with unique wiring, or simply curious about how different brains experience the world, this conversation is full of clarity, compassion, and practical wisdom.

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Kathryn Martens

Release Leadership

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Book a complimentary call with Kathryn: https://www.releaseleadership.au/booking-calendar/meeting-or-session-with-kathryn

Enneagram Coaching & Spiritual Direction:

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Buy Me a Coffee- Seth's page for updates and information: ⁠⁠⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com/Seth.creator⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠Barefoot Bros Music⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Available on Spotify and other platforms.

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In this rich and thoughtful conversation, Sarina sits down with philosopher, author, and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast, Jeff Cook, to explore one of the most overlooked layers of the Enneagram: time orientation.

Jeff unpacks how each type takes in the world and responds to it through the past, present, or future - shaping everything from our anxieties to our relational patterns. We talk about the Head Centre, mental health, meaning-making, parenting through the lens of type, and what happens when philosophy, faith, and the Enneagram collide.

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Jeff Cook

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Around the Circle - an Enneagram Book

Enneagram Coaching & Spiritual Direction:

⁠⁠⁠reflecttheoriginal.au⁠⁠⁠

Buy Me a Coffee- Seth's page for updates and information: ⁠⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com/Seth.creator⁠⁠⁠

⁠Barefoot Bros Music⁠⁠⁠ - Available on Spotify and other platforms.

The Nine Design Enneagram T-shirts: ⁠⁠⁠4th Seed Designs⁠⁠⁠

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What happens when life is “betwixt and in-between”? In this episode, Seth and Sarina talk with freelance wisdom educator, pastoral supervisor, spiritual director, and Enneagram Type Five Dr Bruce Hulme about liminal spaces, reflective practice, and the Head Centre.

Bruce shares his journey through redundancy, anxiety, and deep transition, and how images like the labyrinth and chrysalis helped him discover contemplative friendship with God.

They unpack:

• Why “talking the walk” (reflective practice) matters
• How Head Centre types move from calculation to curiosity
• Gentle invitations for each Enneagram type in liminal seasons

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Bruce Hulme's Socials

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talkingthewalk.com.au

Enneagram Coaching & Spiritual Direction:

⁠⁠reflecttheoriginal.au⁠⁠

Buy Me a Coffee- Seth's page for updates and information: ⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com/Seth.creator⁠⁠

Barefoot Bros Music⁠⁠ - Available on Spotify and other platforms.

The Nine Design Enneagram T-shirts: ⁠⁠4th Seed Designs⁠⁠

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