• Ep. 25 Education and the 'rebirth' of Learning (the unintentional Xmas episode)
    Dec 3 2025

    In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Nick Shackleton Jones explore the critical distinctions between education and learning, emphasizing the need for experience design in learning environments. They discuss the influence of social media on learning and development, the challenges posed by traditional learning models, and the importance of context in creating effective learning experiences. The conversation highlights the disconnect between theory and practice in learning, the rituals that often hinder progress, and the necessity for organizations to embrace real learning experiences over superficial metrics. In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Nick explore the evolving landscape of Learning and Development (L&D), discussing the moral dilemmas faced by professionals in the field, the impact of AI on education, and the importance of performance support and experience design. They delve into the challenges of leadership, the disillusionment many feel within the industry, and the need for a shift towards more meaningful learning experiences. The discussion highlights the reactive nature of the industry, the role of compliance, and the future of learning management systems, ultimately emphasizing the necessity of swimming against the tide to create impactful learning environments.


    Titles


    Rethinking Education and Learning

    The Influence of Social Media on Learning



    Sound bites


    "Why don't people change?"

    "It's a moral dilemma in L&D."

    "Do I want to step out of line?"



    Chapters


    00:00 Education vs. Learning: A Fundamental Distinction

    05:47 Conformity and Resistance to Change in Learning

    11:19 Experience Design: Lessons from Other Industries

    17:13 Transformative Experiences: The Power of Small Interactions

    27:57 The Disconnect in Job Advertisements

    32:47 Adapting 5DI for Real-World Applications

    39:38 The Metrics of Success in Learning

    50:06 The Birth of Learning Design

    55:33 Revolutionizing Training for New Consultants

    01:00:37 The Role of Learning Management Systems (LMS) and Experience Platforms (LXP)

    01:06:49 The Evolution of Wearable Technology and User Experience

    01:16:13 Swimming Against the Tide: The Role of Learning in Growth


    Keywords


    education, learning, experience design, social media, learning development, instructional design, performance support, data-driven learning, organizational change, engagement, Learning and Development, AI in Education, Performance Support, Experience Design, Leadership, Compliance, Future of Learning, Technology in Learning, Social Impact of AI, Career Choices in L&D



    Takeaways


    Education and learning are fundamentally different concepts.

    Social media influences the way learning and development discussions occur.

    Traditional learning models often fail to engage learners effectively.

    Experience design is crucial for creating impactful learning experiences.

    Contextual understanding is essential for effective learning.

    Small details in experience design can lead to significant learning outcomes.

    There is often a disconnect between learning theory and practical application.

    Organizations may adopt new language without changing underlying practices.

    Real learning experiences are often neglected in favor of traditional methods.

    Data-driven approaches in learning can sometimes lead to superficial metrics. It's a moral dilemma in L&D to choose between compliance and making a difference.

    Career choices in L&D often lead to a personal decision about impact.

    There's a dichotomy in available roles in the learning industry.

    AI is set to hollow out traditional education roles.

    Performance support is a key area where human input is

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    1 hr and 18 mins
  • Ep. 24 Why I'm leaving Learning.......(for now)
    Nov 19 2025

    Summary

    The conversation explores the significant changes occurring in the industry, focusing on the relevance of skills, the importance of positioning, and the need for professionals to adapt to stay competitive. It highlights the varying responses individuals have to these changes, from actively engaging to feeling left behind.



    Takeaways


    Our industry is undergoing significant transformation.

    The relevance of existing skills is in question.

    Many professionals feel unprepared for these changes.

    Positioning in the market is often neglected.

    Adapting to new skills is essential for success.

    There is a disparity in how individuals respond to change.

    Some are actively pursuing new opportunities, while others are passive.

    Professional development must be prioritized.

    Understanding market dynamics is crucial for career growth.

    Engagement with industry changes is necessary for relevance.



    Titles


    Navigating the Shifting Landscape of Our Industry

    The Relevance of Skills in a Changing World



    Sound bites


    "Chasing the bus is not enough anymore"

    "We need to adapt to stay relevant"

    "Understanding market perception is key"



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to the Conversation

    00:27 The State of Learning and Development (L&D)


    Keywords


    industry change, skills relevance, market positioning, professional development, career adaptation

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    1 hr
  • Ep.23 FINALLY, a refreshingly honest conversation about AI.
    Oct 22 2025

    In this conversation, Adam Harwood discusses the integration of AI in talent development and the importance of knowledge sharing within organizations. He emphasizes the need for curiosity and experimentation with AI tools, sharing personal experiences from workshops and internal sessions. The dialogue explores user stories, real-world applications, and the future of AI in HR, highlighting the significance of creating a culture that encourages exploration and collaboration.


    Takeaways


    AI is a tool that can enhance talent development.

    Knowledge sharing is crucial for effective AI integration.

    Curiosity and experimentation are key to leveraging AI.

    User stories help illustrate practical applications of AI.

    Creating a culture of experimentation fosters innovation.

    It's important to start with real problems when using AI.

    Don't hesitate to share failures; they can be learning opportunities.

    Mixing different AI tools can optimize processes.

    Engaging in dialogue about AI can spark new ideas.

    The future of work will require continuous learning and adaptation.



    Titles


    Unlocking AI's Potential in Talent Development

    Navigating the AI Landscape in the Workplace



    Sound bites


    "You can't spell AI without HR."

    "AI can help solve real problems."

    "Don't rely on one tool, mix it up."



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to Adam Harwood and Genomics

    02:52 Exploring AI in Talent Development

    08:42 Understanding AI Fundamentals and Learning

    14:26 Knowledge Sharing and Internal Sessions

    20:19 User Stories and Practical Applications of AI

    22:19 Exploring AI Tools: A Hands-On Approach

    24:06 Real-World Applications of AI in Engineering

    26:01 Identifying Real Problems for AI Solutions

    27:28 The Impact of AI on HR Processes

    29:11 User Stories: Individual Experiences with AI

    31:36 Creating a Culture of Sharing and Experimentation

    34:06 Navigating Permission and Social Acceptance of AI

    38:09 Encouraging Experimentation and Curiosity with AI

    41:23 Identifying Problems to Apply AI Solutions

    42:35 Fostering Team Collaboration and Sharing Ideas

    44:59 Embracing Experimentation and Learning from Failure

    47:53 The Simplicity of AI Interfaces and Accessibility

    49:53 Building an AI Tech Stack and Continuous Learning

    52:46 Exploring AI Use Cases and Industry Trends

    55:11 The Future of Work and AI's Impact on Jobs


    Keywords


    AI, Talent Development, Knowledge Sharing, User Stories, Workplace Innovation, Learning and Development, AI Tools, Human-Centered Design, Future of Work, Experimentation

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Ep. 22. The Learning Network; nice people doing great things in L&D
    Sep 25 2025

    The Product Design for Learning Podcast - sponsored by Two Circles Design Studio.

    Learning Network discount code for CONNECT, is: twocircles10

    Takeaways


    The Learning Network fosters a sense of belonging among its members.

    Community is built on trust and openness, allowing for safe discussions.

    Members range from newcomers to seasoned professionals, creating a diverse environment.

    The network provides opportunities for mentorship and professional growth.

    Success is measured qualitatively through member feedback and engagement.

    AI is a hot topic among members, with mixed feelings about its impact.

    The network evolves naturally with each new board, reflecting member needs.

    Events like Tea and Talk encourage informal networking and sharing.

    The Connect event focuses on the intersection of technology and humanity.

    The human element remains crucial in the face of technological advancements.



    Summary


    In this episode of the Product Design for Learning podcast, Greg Arthur engages with members of the Learning Network to explore the significance of community in learning and development. The discussion highlights the importance of belonging, the impact of the network on its members, and the transition from being a member to a board member. The conversation also delves into how success is measured within the network, current trends such as AI, and the future of the Learning Network, culminating in an overview of the upcoming Connect event.



    Timestamp


    00:00:01



    Titles


    Building Community in Learning and Development

    The Power of Belonging in Professional Networks



    Sound bites


    "The Learning Network fosters a sense of belonging."

    "Community is built on trust and openness."

    "AI is a hot topic among members."



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to the Learning Network

    02:55 Understanding Community in Learning and Development

    05:44 Creating a Sense of Belonging

    08:25 Impact of the Learning Network

    11:34 Personal Growth and Opportunities

    14:19 Measuring Success in the Learning Network

    17:04 Current Trends and Concerns in L&D

    19:43 Innovation and Evolution in the Learning Network

    21:22 Innovation Through Community Engagement

    25:31 Exploring Learning Communities

    27:30 The Future of Learning Networks

    31:43 Connect Event Insights


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    38 mins
  • Ep. 21 It's time for some real-talk on skills frameworks
    Sep 2 2025

    Keywords

    skills frameworks, performance improvement, learning and development, EdTech, agile learning, AI in education, stakeholder engagement, data analytics, organizational culture, continuous improvement



    Summary


    In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Phil Lord-David delve into the complexities of skills frameworks within the learning and development (L&D) sector. They discuss the importance of starting with business outcomes rather than merely mapping skills to roles, the pitfalls of traditional frameworks, and the need for agility and iteration in skills development. Phil emphasizes the significance of understanding the real problems within organizations and the role of technology, particularly AI, in enhancing skills frameworks. The discussion also touches on the cultural context of skills, the separation of skills from performance, and practical steps for building effective skills frameworks.



    Takeaways


    Starting with the right questions is crucial for success.

    Focus on business outcomes rather than just skills mapping.

    Agility and iteration are key in skills development.

    Understand the real problems employees face.

    Technology should enable insight, not just track completions.

    Skills frameworks should evolve over time.

    Engage with senior leadership to align on goals.

    AI can help make skills development more manageable.

    Don't let perfection hinder progress.

    Start small and build momentum.



    Titles


    Rethinking Skills Frameworks

    The Agility of Learning and Development



    Sound bites


    "Start where it hurts."

    "Tech is to enable insight."

    "Don't go into analysis paralysis."



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to Skills Frameworks

    02:38 The Right Questions for Skills Frameworks

    05:32 Rethinking Frameworks: Beyond Monstrous Spreadsheets

    08:37 The Cost of Delay in Skills Development

    11:13 Identifying Key Skills: Where to Start

    14:13 The Relationship Between Skills and Performance

    16:58 Cultural Issues vs. Skills Issues

    20:02 The Role of Technology in Skills Development

    22:49 Iterative Approaches to Skills Frameworks

    25:54 Engaging Stakeholders in Skills Development

    28:36 Conclusion: Building a Dynamic Skills Framework

    31:16 Rethinking Skill Gaps and Business Outcomes

    33:35 The Role of AI in Skills Frameworks

    37:11 Essential Skills for Building a Skills Framework

    39:48 Navigating Resistance and Building Resilience

    43:44 Technology's Role in Learning and Development

    49:21 The Impact of AI on Skills Frameworks

    54:45 Actionable Advice for Implementing Skills Frameworks


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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Ep 20. What *EXACTLY* is The Future of Learning?!
    Aug 15 2025

    Keywords

    future of learning, learning and development, corporate learning, accessibility, inclusivity, data-driven learning, AI in education, generational perspectives, employee experience, decentralized learning



    Summary


    In this episode, Greg Arthur hosts a discussion with Jess, Toby, and David about the future of learning and development. They explore the uncertainty surrounding the future of learning, the importance of accessibility and inclusivity, and the need for corporate learning to evolve. The conversation delves into generational perspectives on learning, the significance of data-driven decision-making, and the impact of AI on learning and development. The speakers emphasize the importance of understanding the problems that learning aims to solve and the need for a decentralized approach to learning, where people help people. They conclude with a call to action for learning professionals to embrace change and leverage data effectively.



    Takeaways


    The future of learning is uncertain and difficult to predict.

    Learning will always exist, but the structure of L&D may change.

    Accessibility and inclusivity in learning are crucial for the future.

    Self-directed learning has proven to be powerful and effective.

    Corporate learning needs to fundamentally change to meet modern demands.

    Bad learning experiences should not be tolerated in organizations.

    AI can serve as a powerful tool for data management in learning.

    Learning should happen in the flow of work, not as a separate activity.

    Data is essential for understanding the effectiveness of learning initiatives.

    A decentralized approach to learning can enhance employee engagement and effectiveness.



    Titles


    The Uncertain Future of Learning

    Accessibility in Learning: A Vision for the Future



    Sound bites


    "The future of learning is uncertain."

    "Self-directed learning is powerful."

    "Data is the missing link in L&D."



    Chapters


    00:00 The Future of Learning: An Introduction

    01:17 Diverse Perspectives on Learning's Future

    05:23 Self-Directed Learning and Corporate L&D

    09:33 The Challenge of Bad Learning Experiences

    12:10 Generational Perspectives on Learning

    15:57 Bridging the Gap: Technology and Learning

    19:06 The Role of Employee Experience in Learning

    26:00 Starting the Transformation in Learning

    26:48 Mapping HR to Customer Experience

    28:32 The Importance of Genuine Outcomes

    29:50 The Future of Learning and Development

    31:27 Generational Shifts in Learning Expectations

    34:34 The Role of AI in Learning and Development

    38:07 Redefining Learning in the Workplace

    40:43 The Impact of AI on Content Creation

    45:07 The Challenge of Change in L&D

    49:06 Decentralizing Learning Experiences

    50:55 Transforming Online Facilitation

    53:52 The Role of Technology in Learning

    56:44 Data-Driven Learning and Development

    58:38 The Future of Learning and Data Management

    01:01:19 Understanding Learning Outcomes and Business Impact

    01:05:40 The Importance of Employee Experience

    01:07:55 Measuring Employee and Employer Value

    01:13:37 The Path Forward for Learning and Development


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    1 hr and 22 mins
  • Ep. 19 The real-life red pill / blue pill of L&D
    Jul 4 2025

    Keywords

    learning design, cognitive neuroscience, attention, focus, engagement, product design, learning revolution, digital detox, future of learning, organizational learning


    Summary


    In this episode, Greg Arthur interviews Lauren, the Learning Pirate, about the intersection of cognitive neuroscience and learning design. They discuss the outdated models in the learning industry, the importance of understanding how the brain works, and the need for a revolution in learning practices. Lauren emphasizes the significance of designing learning experiences that cater to individual differences and the role of attention and focus in effective learning. They also explore the impact of technology on learning, the necessity of digital detox, and the future of learning and development in organizations.



    Takeaways


    The brain is the primary client in learning design.

    Outdated models in the learning industry hinder progress.

    Understanding cognitive neuroscience can enhance learning design.

    Attention and focus are critical for effective learning.

    Designing for individual differences is essential in learning.

    Digital detox can improve focus and learning outcomes.

    Learning is a fundamental human process that needs attention.

    The future of learning requires a shift in understanding human behavior.

    Engagement metrics often do not reflect true learning outcomes.

    A collaborative approach is necessary for effective learning design.



    Titles


    Revolutionizing Learning Design

    The Science Behind Learning



    Sound bites


    "Learning is hard."

    "We are in feedback loops of shiny tools."

    "Can we learn how to learn better?"



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to Learning Design

    03:03 The Role of Cognitive Neuroscience in Learning

    05:59 Bridging the Gap: Translating Science into Practice

    09:06 Designing for Individual Differences in Learning

    12:00 Attention and Focus in Learning Design

    15:03 Evaluating E-Learning Experiences

    18:02 The Importance of Practical Application in Learning

    20:57 Reactions to New Learning Approaches

    24:08 The Need for a Learning Revolution

    30:41 Understanding Learning and ROI in Organizations

    33:47 The Impact of Technology on Learning Behavior

    36:18 Managing Attention in a Distracted World

    41:03 The Journey of Learning and Personal Growth

    44:41 Challenges in Learning and Development

    50:37 Starting Points for Effective Learning

    54:47 The Future of Learning and Development

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    59 mins
  • Ep.18 ChatGPT is not SkyNet, L&D is not The T1000
    Jul 3 2025

    Keywords

    AI, production, technology, human skills, learning design, tools, job security, generative AI, digital intelligence, critical thinking, AI, collaboration, creativity, future of work, human skills, technology, problem-solving, innovation, prompt engineering, decision-making


    Summary


    In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Ross Stevenson explore the role of AI in production, emphasizing the importance of human skills and critical thinking in leveraging AI tools effectively. They discuss misconceptions about AI's impact on jobs, the necessity of a human-centric approach, and the challenges of navigating the growing landscape of AI tools. The conversation highlights the need for a balanced perspective on AI, recognizing it as a tool that should complement human capabilities rather than replace them. In this conversation, Ross and Greg explore the evolving role of AI in problem-solving and creativity, emphasizing the importance of human collaboration and critical thinking. They discuss how AI can serve as a tool to enhance decision-making and innovation, while also cautioning against over-reliance on technology. The dialogue highlights the need for individuals to maintain their skills and adapt to the changing landscape of work, as well as the potential future implications of AI on society.



    Takeaways


    AI is not a new concept; it's an evolution of existing technology.

    Generative AI allows more people to become 'amateur builders'.

    Critical thinking should not be outsourced to AI tools.

    Human skills are essential for effectively using AI.

    Overreliance on AI can lead to de-skilling.

    AI tools should be seen as extensions of human capabilities.

    Not all tasks require AI; traditional tools can be effective.

    The hype around AI can lead to inflated expectations.

    Trial and error is crucial in implementing AI solutions.

    A human-first approach is necessary for successful AI integration. AI should be viewed as a collaborative partner, not a replacement.

    Human thinking is essential in guiding AI's capabilities.

    Experimenting with AI can lead to innovative solutions.

    Critical thinking and creativity remain vital in the age of AI.

    Prototyping should focus on feedback rather than perfection.

    AI tools can enhance decision-making but should not replace human judgment.

    Understanding the context is crucial for effective AI use.

    Investing in human skills is essential for future job security.

    Prompt engineering is about clear communication with AI tools.

    The future of work will require a balance between human skills and AI capabilities.



    Titles


    AI in Production: A New Era

    The Human Element in AI Utilization



    Sound bites


    "It's not just AI did it all."

    "You can innovate bad practices."

    "Common sense will prevail."



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to AI in Production

    03:27 The Importance of AI in Production

    06:36 Misconceptions About AI and Job Security

    11:12 The Role of Human Skills in AI Utilization

    16:08 Navigating the AI Landscape

    22:00 The Future of AI in Business

    23:18 The Early Days of AI and Its Context

    24:22 Understanding AI's Role in Project Management

    27:29 Human-Centric Approach to AI Utilization

    30:22 The Binary Nature of AI and Its Limitations

    32:03 Trial and Error in AI Integration

    34:50 AI as a Collaborative Partner

    39:39 The Future of AI in Design and Content Creation

    43:48 The Role of AI in Creative Industries

    46:07 Mindset and Human Skills in the Age of AI

    50:04 Prompt Engineering and Effective AI Interaction

    56:09 The Future of AI and Human Collaboration

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    1 hr and 5 mins