We present to you the seventh episode of The Wise Ones Podcast.

Pop is back. This is his second time sitting down with The Wise Ones, and if you thought Episode 4 told the full story, you weren't even close.

Six months ago, $PUMPCADE was pre-product. A gaming concept with a token and a community that believed before there was anything to believe in. Pop was building alone, shipping every feature, every screen, every line of code by himself with no team, no salary, and no guarantee any of it would work.

What $PUMPCADE has become since then looks nothing like what it started as. The product evolved. The vision sharpened. And along the way, Pop's community did something so unprecedented it might be the most powerful moment in this entire interview.

This conversation is the rawest founder story we've ever recorded. Pop holds nothing back about what it took to get here, what almost broke him, and why he's never been more locked in than he is right now.

If you hold $PUMPCADE, build on @Pumpfun, or want to understand what it actually looks like to build a real company from a token launch, this is the interview.

In this conversation, we explore:

The transformation: What $PUMPCADE has become and why it looks nothing like the product Pop described in Episode 4.

The solo founder grind: What it actually costs to build every single feature alone for six months without paying yourself a dime from creator fees.

The conversation with his wife: The moment she told him to consider getting a job if this doesn't work out, and why his answer reveals everything about who Pop is as a builder.

Building in public: Why launching the token before the product existed was the smartest move he made, and why he'd do it again without hesitation.

The community moment: What the $PUMPCADE army did when Pop needed support for the biggest opportunity of his career. Nobody asked them to. They just showed up.

Why Pump Fun is the best incubator in crypto: Pop doesn't hold back on his endorsement of @Pumpfun and breaks down why he believes there's no better place for a builder to launch a project and get real support.

AI native development: How tools like Claude Code allowed a backend and smart contract engineer to ship an entire front-end product solo, and what that means for the next generation of builders.

The new team: Who Pop brought on, where they came from, and why he believes he now has one of the strongest engineering teams in the industry.
@gnarzilla @steoniy


The shift to wartime CEO: How Pop went from writing every line of code to managing a team, running a roadmap, and thinking about $PUMPCADE at a level the project now demands.

The VC problem: Why raising venture capital with a live token is still broken, how the model is being forced to change with, and what Pop thinks replaces it.

The agent layer: How $PUMPCADE already supports AI agents creating markets, placing trades, and claiming winnings the same way a human can.

Locked in from day one: The @Wisemenmentors community were among the earliest investors in $PUMPCADE. Six months later, nothing has changed. This interview is a reflection of that conviction.

What's next: Where $PUMPCADE is headed and why Pop has never been more confident about what's coming.

This is the unfiltered story of a builder who bet everything on himself, built in public when it would have been easier to quit, and earned the kind of community loyalty that money can't buy.

No hype. Just building in public and letting the work speak.

We hope you enjoy.

@PopPunkOnChain @pumpcade @Pumpfun @a1lon9 @pumpspotlight @solana @toly @rajgokal @blknoiz06

About The Wise Ones: The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

For this episode, we're sitting down with @shawmakesmagic. Fifteen years of building. Self taught out of San Francisco when the cypherpunk movement was still breathing and Silicon Valley was rewriting the rules of every industry on the planet. No formal training. No shortcuts. Shaw built ElizaOS, the AI agent framework that powered thousands of agents across Solana and became one of the most forked repositories in crypto history.

109,000 of you read the Shaw thesis. You made it the biggest article Wisemen has ever put out. Now the forgotten architect speaks for himself.

You know how Wisemen operates. When we sit down with someone, it's not surface level. This is 75 minutes of the kind of conversation most podcasts will never get. Not just about the projects. About the mind behind them. How Shaw thinks. How he connects with crypto at its deepest level. How a developer who barely had the money to buy into his own token watched that position reach $25 million at an all time high, then rode it all the way down to $120K without selling a single coin.

If you want to understand not just $MILADY.AI and $ELIZAOK, but the brilliant mind building them, this is where you start.

In this conversation, we explore:

- The real AI16Z origin: The DMT experience the night before launch. The ego death. The walk to meet the creator of Daosfun and the two words that sparked a billion-dollar ecosystem. None of this has been told at this depth before.

- The $75 million betrayal: A co-founder who never wrote a single line of code deleted Shaw from the repo, sold the project, forged documents, and walked away rich. Shaw went into debt. Moved home. Then built Eliza.

- From broke to $25 million to $120K: Shaw could barely afford to buy into his own token. A community member who believed in the project donated a massive share of supply to the team. That position reached $25 million at all time high prices. Then it fell to $120K. Shaw never sold a coin. What that journey actually does to a person and why he calls it both his greatest badge of honor and his biggest regret.

- The layer one debate: Shaw gives his unfiltered take on @solana, @ethereum, and @binance Chain. Where the volume is. Where the builders are. Where it's all headed. No allegiances. Just a developer breaking down what he sees from the inside.

- Creator fees and the new funding model: Shaw breaks down how he's using creator fees from Bags to employ developers and fund the entire build around his vision. No VCs. No raises. Just trading volume converting directly into the team that's writing the code.

- $Milady.AI and $ElizaOK: Shaw goes into detail about exactly what he's building, how the developer network around him works, and the bigger vision behind the technology. We asked him directly if he believed Milady AI could become his biggest project ever. His answer is going to surprise you.

- The culture war breaking crypto: Traders vs holders. Why Shaw believes the toxicity and rotation culture are killing the space from the inside. And what actually needs to change.

- The message to builders: Shaw's words to every developer who lost money, lost hope, and is questioning whether any of this is worth it.

This is the unfiltered story of one of the greatest AI builders on the Solana blockchain. A developer who did it at the highest level possible got completely counted out and became known as the forgotten architect.

But he never stopped writing code.

No hype. No script. Just the forgotten architect in his own words.

We hope you enjoy.

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The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.

We present to you the fifth episode of The Wise Ones Podcast. Hosted by
@Wisemenmentors

For this episode, we're sitting down with Serj, the founder of $DEPLAY |
@deplaydotfun the first music prediction market built on Solana and a builder who walked away from licensing deals with Apple and Samsung to bet everything on crypto.

Serj | @SerjKorj spent years building AI technology in Palo Alto, licensing it to the biggest smartphone manufacturers on the planet. He bumped into Tim Cook at a Whole Foods, pitched him for 15 minutes, and three hours later had three Apple VPs at his showroom. Tim Cook gave him his personal email and one piece of advice: "I read all emails, but only once."

His previous @solana project hit hundreds of millions in market cap. Multiple hackathon wins. Followed by Toly, Raj, Austin Federa, Vibhu, and the entire Solana ecosystem. He earned every follow through years of building and shipping.

Now he's focused on one mission: bring the next billion users on chain through music and play.

In this conversation, we explore:

- The Tim Cook | @tim_cook moment: How a Whole Foods conversation led to Apple VPs at his door, and the one sentence that shaped how he approaches everything.

- The streaming mafia problem: 99% of artists earn zero from streaming. $DEPLAY is breaking that system.

- How $DEPLAY works: Artists upload tracks, prediction markets auto-create for each song. Fans predict if it hits top 10, top 3, etc. Artists earn a cut of every prediction in real time via smart contracts.

- 5-10x more per stream: Artists earn five to ten times more than Spotify paid instantly to their wallet, not months later in a PDF.

- Everything on chain: Every play tokenized on Solana. All data transparent and verifiable. No black boxes. No manipulation.

- The onboarding breakthrough: No seed phrases, no wallet setup. Users play first, discover crypto second.

- Telegram Stars: 900 million users can predict using in app credits. Win real crypto. Zero friction. They don't even know they're using Solana.

- The Seeker phone play: Native lock screen integration. Raj called it out specifically. This is what Solana Mobile is betting on.

- The flywheel: Every artist brings their fans. 1,000 artists with 1,000 fans each is a million new Solana wallets. That's how you scale adoption.

- Nearly 1,000 artists onboarded: Organic growth. No paid marketing. Just a product that works.

- The 2030 vision: One billion users onboarded through gamified crypto experiences. Not through tutorials through play.

This is a founder who's been building since 2014, already took a project to hundreds of millions in MC, and is now going after the biggest target in crypto: real consumer adoption at scale.

We hope you enjoy.

@SerjKorj | $DEPLAY

@deplaydotfun

@solanamobile
@toly
@rajgokal
@Austin_Federa
@vibhu
@SolanaFndn

About The Wise Ones:
The Wise Ones Podcast sits down with the builders and strategists shaping crypto's future before the mainstream catches on.