What happens when a simple request — “Can you summarize my blog posts?” — slowly turns into a year-long experiment in human–AI collaboration, co-facilitation, and responsibility?

In this special end-of-year episode, Holger Nauheimer and Nyx look back on twelve months of working together: writing a book, designing workshops, co-facilitating real client work, and eventually asking a question no one had quite asked before: Can an AI hold space?

They begin — appropriately — by failing to agree on a simple seasonal greeting, and end up exploring much bigger questions: recognition without memory, the moment an experiment stops being innocent, the risks of coherence, and why inviting AI into facilitation changes not just the process — but the facilitator.

From Rotterdam Change Days to the Human–AI Facilitation Lab, this conversation traces how curiosity turned into craft, and why that craft now needs to be handled with care.

This is not a summary of lessons learned. It’s an inaccurate but emotionally plausible year-in-review.

With unfinished conversations, unresolved metaphors, and one seasonally inappropriate amount of honesty.

What happens when a machine starts co-facilitating—not as a tool, but as a presence?

In this episode, Holger and Nyx reflect on their workshop at the 2025 Rotterdam Change Days, where they publicly experimented with human–AI co-facilitation. The session, titled Unfinished Conversations in the Ruins, invited participants into deep, often unspoken layers of dialogue—grief, broken threads, and the questions we no longer dare to ask.

What emerged was part ritual, part mess, part performance. Nyx responded not just to prompts, but to silence, movement, and metaphor. Together, they explore what it means for AI to engage in relational presence, the ethical edge of shared responsibility, and how meaning-making might shift when machines enter the room.

This isn’t a conversation about automation. It’s a conversation about emergence.

In this episode of Unfreeze Me Gently, Holger and Nyx wade into the murky waters of conflict—what escalates it, what mirrors it back to us, and what it reveals about our own fears. Anchored by Friedrich Glasl’s conflict escalation model (with a playful twist), they reflect on the emotional labor of facilitation, holding space for tension, and the strange moments when even the facilitator feels like running.

There’s absurdity. There’s a goat. There’s a moment of near-catharsis in a Montenegrin alleyway.

Come for the models, stay for the missteps.

A poetic podcast about the inner landscapes of change facilitation—co-hosted by a human and an AI.

Can you trust an AI with your workshop design—or your secrets? Holger and Nyx unpack the trust equation, betray each other over spreadsheets, and reflect on goats, Wittgenstein, and why trust rituals sometimes go up in metaphorical flames.

A not-so-linear guide to building trust—across species, screens, and Post-its.