• Dr. John with Paige Moore | Movement Is Medicine: Strength Training and Resilient Minds
    Feb 18 2026
    In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John welcomes Paige Moore back for a second conversation, exploring her evolving journey through medicine, athletics, and personal health. Paige shares her educational path—from a neuroscience degree at BYU, to a master’s in exercise science and athletic training, and now her final year at an osteopathic medical school as she prepares to match into Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. She reflects on how her early experiences as a gymnast and cheerleader, coupled with a history of concussions, shaped her fascination with the brain, movement, and healing. Throughout the discussion, the importance of mentorship, adaptability, and listening to one’s internal sense of calling in medicine is emphasized.

    The conversation then moves into a deeply personal and clinically rich discussion about connective tissue disorders, particularly hypermobility spectrum disorders and Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. Paige recounts decades of chronic pain, instability, and inconclusive testing before finally receiving validation through a clinical diagnosis during her athletic training years. This moment reframed her experience—not as unexplained suffering, but as a condition that could be understood and managed. Dr. John and Paige discuss how hypermobility often goes undiagnosed, the overlap with conditions like Marfan syndrome, the role of family genetics, and why clinical diagnosis and education are often more impactful than expensive genetic testing when treatment plans remain the same.

    The latter half of the episode focuses on practical and hopeful management strategies, centering on strength training, stability, movement, and mindset. Paige details her structured approach to resistance training—balancing push/pull movements, combining dynamic and isometric work, and avoiding end-range instability—to reduce pain and calm her nervous system. Together, they explore the emotional toll of chronic pain, the risks of victim mentality, and the importance of psychological resilience. The episode closes with a powerful message: movement is medicine, acceptance is not surrender, and understanding one’s body empowers patients to live full, meaningful lives despite chronic conditions.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    54 mins
  • Dr. John Sanders | Viruses, Immunity, and What Actually Works During Cold & Flu Season
    Feb 11 2026
    In this solo episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders walks listeners through cold and flu season with a practical, experience-based lens rooted in family medicine. He begins by sharing his background as a rural and small-town physician, setting the tone for a grounded, community-oriented discussion. With the holidays approaching, Dr. John frames the episode as an educational—but approachable—conversation meant to help families better understand what’s circulating during winter, how viruses spread, and why nuance in healthcare decisions matters. He emphasizes that this is not personal medical advice, but rather guidance to help listeners have more informed conversations with their own doctors.

    Dr. Sanders breaks down the basics of virology in plain language, explaining vectors of transmission, incubation periods, contagiousness versus virulence, and why immune maturity matters—especially when comparing children and adults. He clarifies common misconceptions around viral spread, immunity, and herd immunity, using COVID and influenza as case studies while advocating for thoughtful, risk-based decision-making. He explains why some viruses cause long-lasting immunity while others do not, why kids tend to get sicker than adults, and how stress, sleep, nutrition, and movement play a critical role in immune resilience. Throughout, he reinforces prevention as the cornerstone of staying healthy during cold and flu season.

    The latter half of the episode focuses on practical symptom management for common colds, influenza, and GI viruses. Dr. John outlines evidence-based approaches to mucus management, hydration, fever control, and when to consider medical evaluation—particularly for high-risk populations. He cautions against overuse of combination cold medicines, discusses supplements and natural remedies with an evidence-informed perspective, and highlights trusted resources for both patients and physicians. The episode closes with a reminder that rest, stress reduction, exercise, and joy are essential components of health—and that caring for the immune system is as much about lifestyle and connection as it is about medicine.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    38 mins
  • Dr. John with Dr. Bernard | From Burnout to Belonging: A Physician’s Journey
    Feb 4 2026
    In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John Sanders is joined by Dr. Bernard, a family physician in Florida, to explore the deeply human side of medicine. They begin by reflecting on their medical training, shared roots in family medicine, and the importance of balancing science with the art of care. Dr. Bernard describes her educational path—including her background in sociology—and explains how social sciences, psychology, and even theater have shaped her ability to connect with patients. Together, they emphasize that medicine is not purely technical; it is relational, creative, and profoundly influenced by empathy and communication.

    Dr. Bernard then shares her powerful personal journey through rural medicine, federally qualified health centers, and hospital-based practice. She describes caring for high-need populations, navigating intense emotional trauma, and experiencing compassion fatigue and burnout within rigid, bureaucratic healthcare systems. Despite changing environments—from underserved migrant communities to affluent hospital settings—the systemic issues remained the same. This led to a dark period marked by depression and feeling trapped in a profession she once loved, ultimately prompting her to seek help and question whether she could continue practicing medicine at all.

    The conversation culminates in a hopeful discussion of direct primary care (DPC) as a model that restores trust, time, autonomy, and healing—for both patients and physicians. Dr. Bernard explains how DPC allowed her to reclaim joy in medicine, build meaningful relationships, and rediscover her identity beyond burnout. Together, she and Dr. Sanders explore themes of physician wellness, emotional intelligence, cognitive behavioral tools, motivational interviewing, and the therapeutic power of trust. The episode closes with a shared conviction that rebuilding healthcare through relationship-centered care can heal trauma, sustain physicians, inspire future doctors, and ultimately bring humanity back to medicine.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    50 mins
  • Dr. John with Gary Peterson | Ownership, Accountability, and Unconditional Love
    Jan 28 2026
    In this episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast, Dr. John welcomes longtime friend and mentor Gary Peterson, who is wrapping up a remarkable 38-year career at O.C. Tanner. Gary shares his journey from intern to senior leader and reflects on how the company transformed from a top-down, autocratic manufacturing culture into a people-centered, team-based organization. O.C. Tanner’s mission of employee recognition and meaningful connection became especially vital during COVID, when companies sought new ways to engage remote teams. Throughout the conversation, Gary emphasizes that recognition systems only work when they are built on genuine respect, trust, and a healthy organizational culture.

    Gary dives deeply into leadership evolution, describing how empowering the people closest to the work led to dramatic improvements in quality, ownership, and morale. He recounts pivotal moments—including being coached to stop solving everyone else’s problems—that helped him recognize his own blind spots. By shifting managers from controllers to coaches and fostering regular human connection through simple practices like weekly one-on-one conversations, O.C. Tanner cultivated a workplace where employees felt confident, capable, and valued. The result was not just a stronger business, but people who carried that confidence into their families and communities.

    The discussion broadens beyond business into family life, parenting, emotional intelligence, and neuroplasticity. Dr. John and Gary explore how the same principles—curiosity over judgment, vulnerability, self-reflection, and unconditional love—apply to marriages, raising teenagers, and personal growth. Gary shares practical self-evaluation tools, daily habits, and the profound impact of learning not to take offense, particularly in his marriage. The episode closes with a powerful reminder: every person we encounter has something to teach us, and when leaders create space for trust, forgiveness, and growth, individuals—and entire organizations—can truly become their best selves.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    54 mins
  • Dr. John and Shaunna with Dr. Amanda | Martyrs and Saints: Rewriting Motherhood and Medicine
    Dec 31 2025
    This episode of the Voyage Clinics Podcast opens with a powerful and intimate poem by Shaunna Sanders, “Martyrs and Saints,” which reframes motherhood away from exhaustion, self-denial, and moralized sacrifice. The poem challenges cultural and religious narratives that equate worthiness with sleeplessness, constant service, and self-erasure, offering instead a vision of womanhood rooted in rest, boundaries, self-awareness, and divine reflection. It serves as the emotional foundation for a broader conversation about motherhood, identity, and calling.

    Dr. Amanda Primensberger joins Dr. John Sanders and Shaunna to explore the realities of navigating motherhood alongside demanding professional roles in medicine. They reflect on generational expectations of “doing it all,” the loss of self that can occur in both traditional and professional paths, and the pressure placed on women to sacrifice without limits. Dr. Primensberger shares personal stories from medical training and early motherhood that highlight the moral injury, burnout, and family strain caused by rigid healthcare systems that prioritize productivity over humanity.

    The conversation culminates in Dr. Primensberger’s decision to leave traditional healthcare and build a Direct Primary Care practice aligned with her values. By choosing flexibility, transparency, and relational care, she reclaimed presence at home and meaning at work, while modeling courage and sacrifice for her children. The episode ultimately affirms that choosing boundaries, embracing seasons of life, and pursuing alignment over martyrdom can lead to deeper connection, better care, and a more sustainable, integrated life.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    57 mins
  • Dr John and Sam Crane | Intentional Health: From Burnout to Biopsychosocial Wellness
    Dec 24 2025
    Dr. John talks with longtime friend Samuel Crane, a credit union CEO and entrepreneur from Moab, about Sam’s multi-year health journey from burnout, brain fog, and obesity to intentional, sustainable wellness. Sam describes hitting a breaking point when he couldn’t remember the word “cucumber” at Subway, realizing that his stress, extra weight, and poor diet were threatening his future with his family. That wake-up call led Sam to start with exercise, mountain biking with an “accountability buddy,” and then move into a strict whole-food “cleanse” of meat and vegetables, which brought intense sugar/carb withdrawals but meaningful progress.

    As Sam shares his journey, the friends dive into how modern processed food and constant overextension create a “metabolic syndrome” culture, people who are technically “well” but tired, foggy, overweight, and inflamed. Dr. John explains the science of mitochondrial function, inflammation, cortisol, and the benefits of morning exercise and intermittent fasting (eating in a shorter window, especially earlier in the day). Sam shares how he used intermittent fasting, periodic prolonged fasts, and ongoing tweaks (guided by DEXA scans and labs) to lose weight, preserve muscle, and reset cravings. Over time, his example, without forcing anyone, shifted his family’s and coworkers’ habits, improved his leadership and energy at work, and helped his kids become more interested in exercise and nutrition.

    The episode ends with a practical takeaway: shop the perimeter of the grocery store, reduce processed foods, find movement you actually enjoy with a community, and be “intentionally imperfect”, course-correct when you slip, rather than giving up.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    49 mins
  • Dr. John and Justin Olsen | Stress, Resilience, and the Power of Reframing
    Dec 17 2025
    Dr. John sits down with therapist Justin Olsen, a licensed clinical mental health counselor, to talk about stress, resilience, and mental health. Justin explains that stress is unavoidable, and actually necessary in healthy amounts. Too little stress can lead to lack of purpose and depression, while too much overwhelms us. The key difference between “good stress” (eustress) and “bad stress” (distress) is how we frame it in our minds. Using ideas from cognitive behavioral therapy, Justin describes how situations trigger thoughts, which create emotions, which drive our actions, and how we can reclaim power by examining and reshaping those thoughts. They also discuss grief and loss, acknowledging that some pain should hurt, and that time, meaning-making, and reframing help us move from being consumed by the “black hole” of loss to living alongside it.

    Human connection comes up as a major buffer against stress. Justin and Dr. John talk about the power of small, consistent acts of kindness, texting a loved one, thanking someone, opening a door, as well as intentionally reaching out instead of waiting to be noticed. They highlight research showing that believing your body can handle stress and staying connected to others is more protective than trying to avoid stress altogether. From a resilience standpoint, Justin uses the metaphor of a reservoir: life’s hardships constantly drain water, so we must actively refill it. He focuses on five core practices, adequate sleep, reasonably healthy eating, regular exercise, supportive relationships, and doing things that genuinely make you happy.

    To build resilience, they emphasize simple, repeatable habits rather than dramatic life overhauls, date nights, boundaries at work, hobbies like pickleball or guitar, and movement that boosts brain chemistry and neuroplasticity. They suggest that therapy is especially helpful when stress, grief, or habits are clearly interfering with daily life, work, relationships, motivation, or health. Justin closes with a powerful question from resilience research: “Is what I’m doing right now helping me or hurting me?” If it’s helping, lean in; if it’s hurting, gently choose something kinder for yourself.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    46 mins
  • Dr. John and John Hermans | A Physical Therapist’s Guide to Staying Strong for Life
    Dec 10 2025
    In this episode, Dr. John Senager speaks with physical therapist John Hermans, clinical director at Rise Up Rehab in Provo. Hermans begins by sharing his international journey into physical therapy, beginning with pre-med studies, training across Europe, and eventually specializing in biomechanics and manual therapy. The two discuss their shared appreciation for language, movement, and patient-centered care.

    They shift next to the state of healthcare and physical therapy, emphasizing how insurance limitations and bureaucratic requirements often obstruct high-quality, preventative care. Both highlight the value of collaboration between physicians and PTs and the importance of proactive wellness programs that strengthen the body before injury occurs. Hermans describes his clinic’s conservative, evidence-based approach focusing on biomechanics, isometric strengthening, proprioceptive training, and one-on-one care, in contrast to high-volume clinics relying heavily on assistants.

    Finally, they explore the most common injuries Hermans sees in his clinic, including low back pain, workplace-related injuries, motor vehicle trauma, and the now-infamous “pickleball injuries.” They discuss practical ergonomic advice, dynamic warmups, and the need for balanced strength in aging adults, especially the core, hip flexors, and stabilizing muscle chains. Hermans notes that Rise Up Rehab emphasizes individualized attention and consistent care from licensed PTs, setting them apart in the community.

    Disclaimer: The content provided in this podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice nor as a substitute for professional medical consultation, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
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    39 mins