Episodes

  • Perverse Incentives or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Internet Part 2
    Oct 27 2025

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    In this episode of 'Deviants' with Danny and Zurc, the hosts discuss the contrasting approaches to policing in the UK and US. They delve into Bonnie Burkhart's book 'Manufacturing Criminals,' which criticizes the US for incentivizing arrests over crime prevention through organizations like the ICAC Task Force. The episode highlights how these perverse incentives can cause victims to turn on other victims, creating a destructive cycle. Through comparisons between vigilante actions and law enforcement tactics in both countries, the hosts emphasize the need for primary prevention and support systems to address unresolved childhood trauma. They argue for a public health approach to reduce abuse and advocate for better, more compassionate resources to help prevent potential crimes.



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    30 mins
  • Perverse Incentives or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Internet Part 1
    Oct 19 2025

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    This episode of 'Deviants' dives into the controversial and complex realm of sexual offense investigations and decoy operations in the US and UK. Hosts Zurc and Danny break down the legal intricacies of entrapment, revealing stark differences in how these cases are handled across the Atlantic. They argue that while the US invests billions in sting operations that often entrap vulnerable individuals, it neglects funding for primary prevention that could keep potential offenders from committing crimes in the first place. This lack of preventive measures results in devastating consequences for families and communities. In contrast, the UK’s legal system, though not perfect, offers more protections against state-created crimes. The episode underscores the need for more balanced approaches to handling these sensitive cases and asks pressing questions about the integrity and priorities of the justice system.

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    29 mins
  • Primary Prevention Part 3: From Silence to Support
    Aug 29 2025

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    In this third installment of our primary prevention series Danny shares his experience on forums for those attracted to children and emphasizes the importance of supportive communities that encourage pro-social behavior and connect people with resources to learn what boundaries are important for their specific situation. We then discuss the need for early education and societal recognition of primary prevention initiatives. Personal stories highlight how trauma intertwines with sexuality and the challenges faced by individuals seeking help. We call for validating and respectful approaches to primary prevention, recognizing our collective duty to protect and educate the young.

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    20 mins
  • Primary Prevention Part 2: Breaking the Silence
    Aug 22 2025

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    In Episode 3 of Deviants, we delve into the critical topic of primary prevention with a focus on boundaries, the role of supportive communities, and methods for child safety. Danny shares personal experiences that highlight the struggles of keeping secrets and the importance of reaching out for help. We also remember Alan Kramer and his impactful advice on managing difficult situations. Join us as we explore how understanding and compassionate guidance can prevent harm and stop the cycle of abuse before it starts.

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    17 mins
  • Primary Prevention Part 1: Untold Histories
    Aug 12 2025

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    In the second episode of 'Deviants', the hosts embark on a three-part series focused on the primary prevention of sexual abuse. They examine Shakespearean times, comparing historical child exploitation to present-day challenges. The discussion highlights how primary prevention involves creating safe, supportive communities for at-risk individuals, and the inadequacies of current legal systems in addressing abuse. They emphasize the importance of open dialogue and support mechanisms for both potential perpetrators and victims to prevent abuse effectively.

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    23 mins
  • Deviants: The First Episode
    Jul 24 2025

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    In the inaugural episode of 'Deviants,' hosts Zurc and Danny delve into their personal experiences and the societal complexities surrounding child sexual abuse prevention. Zurc, a survivor of sex trafficking and Danny, who faced his own struggles with de-stigmatizing atypical sexual interests, emphasize the critical need for primary prevention — preventing abuse before legal intervention is necessary. They discuss the lack of resources and support for boys and marginalized groups, the failure of punitive systems, and the importance of open, honest conversations. The episode underlines the necessity for better parental and community support systems and highlights the potential of online communities as unconventional yet vital lifelines for youth and adults navigating these difficult experiences.

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    29 mins