Most of us know diabetes affects the body. Fewer of us talk honestly about what it does to the mind and what the mind does right back. In this episode, Rob sits down with Sam Tullman, co-founder and facilitator of Diabetes Sangha and a dedicated student of Rinzai Zen, for a wide-ranging conversation on mental health, mindfulness, and what it actually means to live well with diabetes. Not managing it perfectly. Live well with it. They get into the neuroscience of why checking your CGM makes you hold your breath, why rage bolusing is as much an emotional event as it is a physical one, and how the concept of interoception, your brain's ability to read signals from inside your body, turns out to be both a burden and a hidden advantage of life with type 1. Sam introduces a question that quietly reframes everything: what is your actual goal in living with diabetes? His answer might surprise you. The conversation winds through predictive processing theory, Zen master stories dating back to 17th-century Japan, the research behind mindfulness-based stress reduction, and Rob's own discovery of what he calls "rage gratitude", a practice that started with 35 lines scribbled on a page and changed how he moves through his days. If you've ever wondered whether mindfulness is actually practical for someone who's already managing a chronic illness on top of everything else, this episode makes the case. Sam is also a fellow podcaster and one of the most thoughtful voices in the T1D mental health space. By the time this episode is published, Rob will be sitting with Sam and the rest of Diabetes Sangha at their spring retreat. Which, honestly, feels like the right note to publish on. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction: Sam Tullman and Diabetes Sangha 01:14 Welcome back: catching up since last time 02:03 Mental health as part of the whole body 03:29 How the mind directly impacts blood sugar 04:42 Rage bolusing: a behavioral health problem 07:16 Rob's real-time low and what he noticed 08:58 Predictive processing theory and Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett 10:12 How the brain makes its best guess 13:03 Interoception: the hidden strength of living with T1D 15:02 Awareness as both burden and advantage 18:33 Holding it in both hands: grief and gratitude together 24:09 Mindfulness as a muscle: how to start building it 25:22 The question that reframes everything: what is your goal? 29:00 Two kinds of meditation practice: relief and long-term growth 31:51 Growth is uncomfortable — and that's okay 36:18 The Zen master Hakuin story 40:34 After ecstasy, the laundry — and changing your CGM 44:44 Rage gratitude: Rob's discovery of a simple practice 47:17 Many paths to the same place: finding what works for you 48:13 Diabetes Sangha: community, retreats, and resources Resources: Diabetes Sangha — weekly meditations, newsletters, events, and retreats for people living with diabetes How Emotions Are Made by Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett — referenced by Sam on predictive processing theory and interoception Dr. Brad Liechtenstein — retreat facilitator and breath expert mentioned by Sam, works with people with chronic conditions: search "Dr. Brad Liechtenstein" or find him through naturopathic health directories
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