Co-Hosts Mike Mason and Dave Lester welcome multi-time return guest, Kayla Jentes, back on the show to talk about Lot and his daughters living in a cave. Lot is afraid in the city of Zoar so he and his daughters flee to a cave in the mountains. It is there that Lot's daughters hatch a plot to preserve their family line through sexually assaulting their father. It is a story that is morally outrageous but also contains some complexity. The hosts and guest also talk about how the point of this epilogue to the Sodom and Gomorrah account is the origin of the Moabites and the Ammonites.

Follow and read Kayla Jentes' writings: https://thenerdychiro.substack.com/

Listen to the Bible Project Podcast here: https://bibleproject.com/podcasts/shows/the-bible-project-podcast/

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 16-50 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*Come Out My People: God's Call Out of Empire in the Bible and Beyond by Wes Howard-Brook

*The JPS Commentary: Genesis by Nahum Sarna

*Reading Genesis by Marilynne Robinson

Co-Hosts Mike Mason and Dave Lester welcome back Kayla Jentes to walk through the rest of the Sodom and Gomorrah judgment. We end up talking a great deal about Lot's character, his relationship to God and his actions while fleeing the city that he had lived in with his family.

We also discuss the wrath of God being poured out upon Sodom and Gomorrah (as well as the cities of the plains) as God spares Lot and his family.

Follow and read Kayla Jentes' writings: https://thenerdychiro.substack.com/

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 16-50 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*Come Out My People: God's Call Out of Empire in the Bible and Beyond by Wes Howard-Brook

*The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermenuetics by Robert A.J. Gagnon

*The Bible, Gender and Sexuality by James V Brownson

*The Widening of God's Mercy: Sexuality Within the Biblical Story by Christopher B Hays and Richard B. Hayes

*Reading Genesis by Marilynne Robinson

*"Zimbardo Stanford Prison Experiment". Simply Psychology by Dr. Saul McLeod. https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html

*"New Archaeological Evidence Points to Sodom and Gomorrah's Location Near the Dead Sea" Israel365News by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz. https://israel365news.com/413653/new-archaeological-evidence-points-to-sodom-and-gomorrahs-location-near-the-dead-sea/

Host Dave Lester preached about the meaning of life and the Garden of Eden at Central Kitsap Presbyterian Church on May 31, 2026.

Church website: https://ckpres.org/

Sources Used for this Episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 1-15 by Gordon J. Wenham

*Biologos article: "What is the Relationship Between the Creation Accounts in Genesis 1 and 2?" by J. Richard Middleton. https://biologos.org/articles/what-is-the-relationship-between-the-creation-accounts-in-genesis-1-and-2

*Biologos article: "Israel's Two Creation Stories" by Pete Enns. https://biologos.org/articles/israels-two-creation-stories

*Reading Genesis 1-2: An Evangelical Conversation edited by J. Daryl Charles

Co-Hosts Dave Lester and Mike Mason are joined again by Kayla Jentes to walk through the Sodom and Gomorrah account in Genesis 19. Going long because the chapter is so filled with information, the trio only explored through verse 11.

They talk about the 2 angels visiting Sodom and Lot's hospitality. They also discuss the mob that forms outside of Lot's house that is threatening to do horrible things to the visitors in the city.

Part 2 is coming soon.

Follow and read Kayla Jentes' writings: https://thenerdychiro.substack.com/

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 16-50 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*Come Out My People: God's Call Out of Empire in the Bible and Beyond by Wes Howard-Brook

*The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermenuetics by Robert A.J. Gagnon

*The Bible, Gender and Sexuality by James V Brownson

*The Widening of God's Mercy: Sexuality Within the Biblical Story by Christopher B Hays and Richard B. Hayes

*Reading Genesis by Marilynne Robinson

*"Zimbardo Stanford Prison Experiment". Simply Psychology by Dr. Saul McLeod. https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html

*"New Archaeological Evidence Points to Sodom and Gomorrah's Location Near the Dead Sea" Israel365News by Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz. https://israel365news.com/413653/new-archaeological-evidence-points-to-sodom-and-gomorrahs-location-near-the-dead-sea/

**The original posting of this episode was removed by Spotify because of the Louis Armstrong music that is traditionally played in each episode. While the song is over 100 years old and should be public domain, I will no longer use the music for future episodes.

Theologian and chiropractor Kayla Jentes joins Dave and Mike to discuss Genesis 18. We talk about the 3 strangers that came to visit Abraham and Sarah where the couple performs radical acts of hospitality. We also chat about Sarah's famous laugh from the tent and everything that means given what we know about her from the Biblical text.

Finally, we dive deep into Abraham bargaining with God over the looming judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah. What can we learn about God and the nature of humanity?

Follow and read Kayla Jentes' writings: https://thenerdychiro.substack.com/

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 16-50 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*The New International Commentary: The Book of Genesis: Chapters 18-50 by Victor P. Hamilton

*Come Out My People: God's Call Out of Empire in the Bible and Beyond by Wes Howard-Brook

*Womanist Midrash: A Reintroduction to the Women of the Torah and the Throne By Wilda C. Gafney

Opening Music: Struttin With Some Barbeque by Louis Armstrong

Everything you wanted to know about circumcision but were afraid to ask. Co-hosts Dave Lester and Mike Mason welcome guest, Pastor Jeffrey Prager, to walk through perhaps the pinnacle of the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 17. God says the sign of the covenant will be circumcision for the males. While visiting Abram (who changes to Abraham), God promises a son with Sarai (who changes to Sarah) named Isaac. Lots of rich theology in this passage that is discussed in depth.

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 16-50 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*The New International Commentary: The Book of Genesis: Chapters 1-17 by Victor P. Hamilton

*The JPS Torah Commentary by Dr. Nahum Sarna

*Come Out My People: God's Call Out of Empire in the BIble and Beyond by Wes Howard-Brook

*Reading Genesis by Marilynne Robinson

Opening Music: Struttin With Some Barbeque by Louis Armstrong

Author Liz Charlotte Grant joins the podcast to discuss the account of Hagar in Genesis 16. We dive deep into Hagar's abuse at the hands of Abram and Sarai, her fleeing into the desert and her encounter with the Angel of the Lord. Liz Charlotte Grant also talks about her debut book "Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible".

Get a copy of Liz Charlotte Grant's book "Knock at the Sky" right here: https://www.amazon.com/Knock-Sky-Seeking-Genesis-Losing/dp/0802883753

Read the 1978 Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy right here: https://reformation.net/uploads/1/1/7/6/117618790/the_chicago_statement_on_biblical_inerrancy.pdf

Read Liz Charlotte Grant's perspective on the 1978 Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy right here: https://www.christiancentury.org/features/certainty-summit

Sources used for this episode:

*The NIV Application Commentary: Genesis by Dr. John Walton

*Word Biblical Commentary: Genesis 1-15 by Gordon J. Wenham

*The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament by John H. Walton, Victor H Matthews & Mark W. Chavalas

*The New International Commentary: The Book of Genesis: Chapters 1-17 by Victor P. Hamilton

*Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible" by Liz Charlotte Grant

*Reading Genesis by Marilynn Robinson

*Womanist Midrash: A Reintroduction to the Women of the Torah and the Throne by Wilda Gafney

Opening Music: Struttin With Some Barbeque by Louis Armstrong

Reuben Lester returns! Host Dave Lester and his son talk about Christmas memories, their favorites Christmas songs and movies and the birth of Jesus. They read from the Gospel of Matthew and Luke.

Sources used for this Episode:

*The NIrV Adventure Bible for Early Readers. Published by ZonderKidz

Opening Music: Holly Jolly Christmas by Burt Ives

Other Music Used: He Shall Reign Forevermore by Matt Maher (from the album: The Advent of Christmas)