• 8: Surprises
    Mar 28 2023

    In this final episode, Eric and Kenton discuss the pleasant surprises, what has been meaningful to them and the church, and offer some final thoughts for those who engage in a succession process.

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    24 mins
  • 7: Challenges
    Mar 21 2023

    Leading through a succession provides leaders with a unique set of challenges for the successor such as honoring the past while creating desire for new directions, leading with your voice while not discounting the voice of the church and past, and loving the people while also charting a future course. 

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    26 mins
  • Resolve: Leading Through Burnout, Betrayal, and Breakthrough | Christine Caine
    Sep 2 2026

    Eric is joined by special guest Christine Caine, and they discuss the importance of carrying holy restlessness and finding our rest in Jesus' finished work.

    Chris Caine is a speaker, author, and activist who has been serving the local church globally for over 30 years. She and her husband, Nick, founded the anti-human trafficking organization, The A21 Campaign, which works at the local, domestic, and international level to end modern-day slavery. She also founded Propel Women, an A21 initiative dedicated to coming alongside women all over the globe to activate their God-given purpose.


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    39 mins
  • 6: Predecessor & Successor
    Mar 15 2023

    In this episode, they discuss their relationship, how they have fostered a healthy relationship, rhythms for meeting, and agreements they hold.

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    32 mins
  • Why Your Character Must Grow With Your Position | Rob Pelinka
    Aug 26 2026

    Eric is joined by special guest Rob Pelinka as they talk about the relationship between character and competence and the importance of perseverance in leadership.

    Rob Pelinka is the President of Basketball Operations and General Manager of the Los Angeles Lakers. He gained prominence as a sports agent, representing top NBA talent, including Kobe Bryant, and founding the Landmark Sports Agency.


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    29 mins
  • Credibility is Your Currency | Joel Klatt
    Aug 20 2026

    Eric is joined by special guest Joel Klatt as they discuss the importance of being authentic, consistent, and credible as a leader.

    Joel Klatt is the lead college football and NFL draft analyst for FOX Sports. He hosts The Joel Klatt Show podcast and is a former standout quarterback at the University of Colorado.


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    53 mins
  • 4: Announcement
    Feb 28 2023

    In this episode, Eric and Kenton discuss the major moments of announcement, the goals of each of those initial meetings with staff and with the church, and offer suggestions for leaders to think through the moment of the announcement.

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    30 mins
  • Why Servant Leadership Actually Works in the Real World | Cheryl Bachelder
    Aug 12 2026

    Eric is joined by special guest Cheryl Bachelder, and they discuss how to live and lead with Christlike servanthood.

    Cheryl Bachelder was the CEO of Popeyes during the turnaround years. She currently serves on the Board of Directors for Chick-fil-A and as a board member of WorkMatters, a ministry focused on helping Christian leaders discover the sacredness of their work. She also authored the leadership book Dare to Serve.


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    37 mins