Sam Kass calls RFK Jr. "the greatest threat to public health this country has ever faced."

He’s not joking. Sam led Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign, served as senior policy advisor in the Obama White House, and fought some of the most brutal food policy battles in recent memory. He knows what it takes to enact regulation and how hard industry will fight to protect its interests.

Hearing MAHA panic about seed oils and food dyes while the administration weakens the FDA and CDC all while championing beef tallow french fries is downright alarming, he says. And that’s before we even get to the fact that the Trump administration is moving backward on responding to the climate crisis, which is the focus of his latest book, The Last Supper.

Sam doesn’t hold back in this interview.

Heads up for those with kids: There are some expletives in this conversation.

Highlights:

– How Big Potato fought the White House over what counts as a vegetable in school lunch and WIC

– The reason why Sam's first cookbook didn't include white potatoes

– The trans fat ban fight

– How climate change has moved from future threat to present crisis

– Why seed oils and food dyes are a distraction from what actually matters for public health

– Fact-checking the narrative that Michelle Obama "caved to industry"

– Democrats lost the food issue to Republicans — can they get it back?

Where to find Sam Kass:

Follow Sam Kass on Instagram

Check out his book, The Last Supper

Mentioned in this episode:

Bold Fork Books

The Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010

Marion Nestle's Food Politics blog

Fed Up documentary

COP 21 Paris Climate Agreement

How I Built This: Spindrift — Bill Creelman

Stay in touch:

Sign up for Helena’s must-read weekly newsletter: Food Fix.

Follow American Dish on Instagram and YouTube.

Send ideas and feedback to info@foodfix.co

Check out Forked, the food politics podcast Helena co-hosts with the Food & Environment Reporting Network.

Credits: This episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz. Original music by David Bottemiller.

She says she hates politics. She's also been on the White House lawn with the FDA commissioner, helped pressure food companies to drop artificial dyes, and is now one of the most influential voices within the Make America Healthy Again movement.

Vani Hari, better known as the Food Babe, built a massive following pressuring food companies to ditch controversial ingredients long before MAHA was a thing. How did she go from an activist food blogger to one of the most dominant forces in food policy?

Note: This interview originally aired on Forked, the food politics podcast Helena co-hosts with Theodore Ross with the Food and Environment Reporting Network. Helena and Ted spoke with Vani in late January — before the glyphosate executive order dropped and before Vani announced a rally at the Supreme Court.

Highlights:

– The glyphosate fault line - why the Trump administration’s alignment with Bayer in a Supreme Court case has infuriated MAHA advocates, and what Vani thinks should actually happen

– The farm lobby is a much harder target than Big Food, and what that means for MAHA's agenda

– MAHA's political future may hinge on what happens at the EPA before the midterms

– Comparing American food ingredients to their European counterparts has become a potent political argument

Where to find Vani Hari:

Food Babe website

Vani Hari on Instagram

Mentioned in this episode:

Forked podcast

Trump executive order on glyphosate/Defense Production Act

New Dietary Guidelines

Stay in touch:

Sign up for Helena’s must-read weekly newsletter: Food Fix.

Follow American Dish on Instagram and YouTube.

Send ideas and feedback to info@foodfix.co

Check out Forked, the food politics podcast Helena co-hosts with the Food & Environment Reporting Network.

Credits: This episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz. Original music by David Bottemiller.

The Trump administration says we're being poisoned by our food system. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. talks about ultra-processed foods, pesticides, and corporate capture of our health agencies. It's rhetoric that in many ways sounds like it came straight from the progressive food movement.

Marion Nestle helped build that movement — and so far she's not impressed.

An emerita professor at New York University, Nestle is 89, has written 17 books about food policy, founded the field of food politics, and writes the must-read blog foodpolitics.com.

She's earned the right to be blunt. And in this conversation, she is.

Highlights:

– Marion's career journey and how food politics became a field of study

– How to identify ultra-processed foods

– Why it took so long for UPFs to become part of the conversation

– The gap between MAHA rhetoric and policy reality

– GLP-1 drugs as an existential threat to the food industry

– The dietary guidelines' inherent conflicts (promoting agriculture vs. telling people to eat less)

– School food funding and why every school should have a garden

– What Marion would actually do if she were in charge of food policy

Editorial note: We recorded this conversation before the Trump administration released the Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2025-2030.

Where to find Marion Nestle:

Sign up for her must-read daily blog at foodpolitics.com

Check out her latest book, What to Eat Now

Other books by Marion Nestle

Mentioned in this episode:

The Lancet series on ultra-processed foods

Kevin Hall's NIH research/clinical trials on ultra-processed foods

The latest MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) report

Marion Nestle's 2013 article about GRAS

GRAS reform proposal heads to White House for review

Stay in touch:

Sign up for Helena’s must-read weekly newsletter: Food Fix.

Follow American Dish on Instagram and YouTube.

Send ideas and feedback to info@foodfix.co

Check out Forked, the food politics podcast Helena co-hosts with the Food & Environment Reporting Network.

Credits: This episode was edited by Adrienne Cruz. Original music by David Bottemiller.