Safeguarding - it is a daily, ongoing process, not just a one-time action; and in doing so, building connections and trust is more important than striving for perfection. These are just a couple of nuggets of safeguarding wisdom discussed in this episode of Listening First.

Patrick and Ben speak with Linda Sayers, a social worker and safeguarding expert, discussing the evolving landscape of safeguarding in rehabilitation. Topics include the principles of safeguarding, legislation changes, collaboration between private and statutory sectors, and practical strategies for effective safeguarding practices.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

03:55 Linda Sayers: A Journey Through Social Work

09:45 Understanding Safeguarding in Rehabilitation

15:01 The Evolution of Safeguarding Legislation

20:20 The Importance of Connection in Social Work

27:22 Navigating Inconsistencies in Safeguarding Practices

29:10 The Evolving Landscape of Safeguarding Legislation

31:44 The Role of Private Sector in Safeguarding

35:52 Building Effective Partnerships in Safeguarding

46:22 Understanding Myths and Realities in Safeguarding

50:33 The Essence of Rehabilitation and Recovery

51:52 Introduction to Professional Curiosity and Safeguarding

54:14 The Importance of Collaboration in Safeguarding

Resources

Section 42 of the Care Act - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/23/section/42

Working Together to Safeguard Children 2026 - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-together-to-safeguard-children--2

Frontal Lobe Paradox Field Guide by Ben Marram - https://theflpfieldguide.com

Linda Sayers on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/linda-sayers-0bb66551/

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In this episode, family therapist Dave Kenny joins Patrick and Ben to share insights into systemic psychotherapy, otherwise known as Family Therapy, its relevance in recovery and rehabilitation, and how understanding family dynamics can improve support systems. Discover practical techniques, the importance of trust, and how therapy adapts to individual family needs.

Resources:

Family Experience of Brain Injury by Mark Holloway

Association of Family Therapy (AFT) - https://www.aft.org.uk/

UK Council for Psychotherapy (UKCP) - https://www.ukcp.org.uk/

Newby Psychological Services - https://www.newbypsychologicalservices.co.uk/

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In part 2 of this 2-part series, the conversation delves further into the complexities of fundamental dishonesty within the legal system, particularly in relation to rehabilitation and recovery. Lois Norris, a barrister, shares her insights on the importance of thoroughness, transparency, and integrity in clinical and legal practice. The discussion also highlights the challenges faced by clients in navigating their claims and the emotional toll of being accused of dishonesty. The episode emphasises the need for professionals to maintain a balance between scrutiny and support for their clients, ensuring that the process remains fair and just for all parties involved.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Part 2

01:33 Understanding Inconsistency and Honesty

04:21 The Emotional Journey of Claimants

07:47 Navigating Integrity and Transparency

11:36 The Role of Scrutiny in Rehabilitation

16:39 The Balance of Fairness in Legal Processes

21:54 Future Directions in Addressing Dishonesty

26:31 Rehabilitation as Evidence in Legal Cases

31:22 Misconceptions About the Legal Profession

36:27 Introduction to Thoroughness and Transparency

37:19 The Role of Detail in Professional Practice

38:22 The Importance of Authenticity and Integrity

38:45 Reflections on Imposter Syndrome and Mentorship

39:59 Closing Thoughts

Credits:

Patrick Boyd - Co-host/Producer

Dr Ben Marram - Co-host/Producer

Lois Norris - Guest

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