Open any hiring feed this year and you'll find a fresh list of skills for the AI era. Discernment. Judgment. Taste. Bob Galen and Josh Anderson think the list is fine. They just think it's old.

The human skills behind every team they're proud of (collaboration, coachability, comfort with ambiguity, a willingness to have the hard conversation) were always the job. AI picked up more of the technical work, and now everyone's noticing what was there the whole time.

Josh walks through how he hired a new squad every quarter at Dude Solutions without the whole thing resting on his shoulders. The team read Debugging Teams together so everyone shared the same picture of a great teammate. Then they wrote interview question sets for each trait and split them across the interview panel. When a hire missed, they treated it like a bug in the system and fixed the process before the next round.

Bob brings his attitude, aptitude, skills ordering, makes the case for working interviews where candidates spend an hour or two with the team, and draws a hard line on coachability. Josh pushes back with the people who've only ever worked for bad leaders and need someone to show them another way. (Bob agrees with him, which annoys Bob.)

They also get into neurodiversity and why "good teammate" can't mean "smiles a lot," why a team needs both the "yes we can" and the "no we can't" voices in the room, and why Josh wants you to hear one thing clearly: technical skill still matters. It's just easier to teach.

Bob and Josh go round robin, naming the leadership characteristics they admire in each other after 2 decades of working together: generosity, genuineness, the courage to evolve, openness to crazy ideas, and speaking truth to power while scared. The real takeaway is Bob's ultimate leadership metric: what does your team say about you years after you stop working together?

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A CEO's LinkedIn vacation post sparks one of our most personal episodes yet. Bob shares the real cost of putting the company first, Josh shares the question from his kids that changed everything, and together we cover why a leader's absence is the truest test of their leadership. Plus the rocking chair test for deciding what will actually matter.

Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse"

Dive deeper into the world of Agile leadership and management with Josh Anderson's "Leadership Lighthouse." This bi-weekly newsletter offers insights, tips, and personal stories to help you navigate the complexities of leadership in today's fast-paced tech environment. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll find valuable guidance and practical advice to enhance your leadership skills. Subscribe to "Leadership Lighthouse" for the latest articles and exclusive content right to your inbox.

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Bob Galen's "Agile Moose"

Bob Galen's "Agile Moose" is a must-read for anyone interested in Agile practices, team dynamics, and personal growth within the tech industry. The newsletter features in-depth analysis, case studies, and actionable tips to help you excel in your Agile journey. Bob brings his extensive experience and thoughtful perspectives directly to you, covering everything from foundational Agile concepts to advanced techniques. Join a community of Agile enthusiasts and practitioners by subscribing to "Agile Moose."

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Do More Than Listen:

We publish video versions of every episode and post them on our YouTube page.

Help Us Spread The Word:

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