Very few people can say they were in the room when a masterpiece was made. Ken Caillat was behind the desk for all of it. He's best known for producing and engineering the Fleetwood Mac albums Rumours, Tusk, Mirage and Live, capturing Dreams, Go Your Own Way and The Chain while the band's relationships fell apart around him. That work brought an Album of the Year Grammy, and his recordings have sold over 50 million copies.

Now his book Making Rumours, out in the UK since 10 September, lifts the lid on the hedonism and excess of those sessions. In this episode he shares some of those stories with us...

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You can find Sam on socials at @SamJonesMCR

Produced by Sally Rutter.

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Georgie Bell is co-founder and CEO of The Heart Cut, the award-winning independent whisky bottler she launched in 2023 with her husband, Fabrizio Leoni. Focused on single casks from small, innovative producers around the world alongside renowned names, The Heart Cut was named Independent Bottler of the Year at the Global Icons of Whisky Awards in both 2024 and 2025, and Producer of the Year at The Whisky Exchange Awards 2026. Georgie's whisky career began behind the bar at the Scotch Malt Whisky Society while studying geography at the University of Edinburgh, where she wrote her dissertation on whisky and regional identity. She went on to become luxury malts ambassador for Diageo's Mortlach, then joined Bacardi in 2016 as global malts ambassador, later serving as head of advocacy for its incubation brands. She is a Keeper of the Quaich, a Liveryman of the Worshipful Company of Distillers, and holds a distillation qualification. She also serves as a trustee of the Wine & Spirit Education Trust.

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You can find Sam on socials at @SamJonesMCR

Produced by Sally Rutter

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Steve Oliver is the Founder and CEO of musicMagpie, one of the great Northern entrepreneurial success stories. After the collapse of Music Zone, the retailer he was managing director of, a failure that cost him half the value of his family home. Steve invested the other half into a new venture, by starting trading people’s old CDs and DVDs initially from his garage in Stockport in 2007. What began as a "lazy man's eBay" for trading in CDs, DVDs and games pivoted towards phones and consumer tech, growing today into the number one buyer and seller of refurbished phones in the UK and, remarkably, the biggest seller in the history of both eBay and Amazon globally. musicMagpie floated on the London Stock Exchange in 2021 at a value of £208 million, and was subsequently acquired by AO in late 2024. Across its history the business has generated a cumulative £2 billion of gross income. A pioneer of the circular economy and champion of sustainability, Steve also chairs the Stockport Economic Alliance, and announced in July that he'll step down at the end of September in his words, "to chase more thrills."

I hope you enjoy it…

You can find Sam on socials at @SamJonesMCR

Produced by Sally Rutter

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