In this episode of the Ordinary Discipleship Podcast, Jessie talks with Daniel Yang of World Relief about refugees, immigrants, trauma, enemy mode, and what it means to follow Jesus in a time when fear and suspicion are shaping so much of our public life. Daniel shares his own family’s refugee story, the work of World Relief, and how the church is called not only to welcome the vulnerable but to receive them as gifts from God. Together, Jessie and Daniel explore why loving our enemy is not an optional ideal but a core spiritual discipline, how proximity breaks down fear, and how ordinary disciples can practice welcome, prayer, courage, and embodied love in their own communities.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

Timmy and 'Tisha Hensel share the real story of co-pastoring a church through pain, transition, and slow transformation. They talk about moving from busy, program-driven ministry to a culture of shared ownership, collaborative leadership, and deep, relational discipleship—where more voices are heard and more people carry the weight together. This conversation gets into what it actually costs to lead this way—loss of control, hard conversations, and letting go of outcomes—but also what it produces: healing, trust, freedom in worship, and a community where discipleship is lived, not just taught.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

This episode explores how naming shapes identity and discipleship at a deep level—spiritually, relationally, and even neurologically. Drawing from Scripture, lived experience, and the themes of Becoming Good News, the conversation traces how the names we receive—both true and false—form our sense of self, and how God invites us into a different story through His voice. They unpack how false identities take root, why our “I am” statements matter, and how practices like confession, repentance, and listening to God can lead to real transformation and a reclaimed identity grounded in truth.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

Are we actually good—or just calling something broken “good” and hoping it sticks? In this conversation, we wrestle with sin, identity, and the stories we believe about ourselves, and why discipleship isn’t about behavior management or positive thinking. Julia and Jessie reframe sin as disconnection and false narrative, not just rule-breaking, and show how Jesus meets us there to restore relationship, renew our minds, and reshape our identity from the inside out. We explore why joy—not perfection—might be the truest marker of transformation, and how learning to listen to God rewrites the story we live by.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

In this episode, we explore the difference between discipleship as doing and discipleship as receiving—and why that shift changes everything. Jessie and Julia share their own stories of burnout, identity loss, and the quiet invitation to stop striving and start receiving from God’s presence. We talk about anxiety, formation, confession, and how true growth begins not with what we do, but with who God is and how we learn to respond to Him.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

Discipleship isn’t just about learning more about God, it’s about discovering who we are in relationship with Him. In this episode, Jacob, Jessie Cruikshank, and Julia Schmaltz explore how our understanding of God shapes our understanding of ourselves, and why identity is formed through relationship rather than self-invention. Drawing on Scripture, science, and the story of Moses, they discuss how fear, shame, and false narratives distort identity and how encountering the living God restores our true story. If discipleship is more than a program or a list of beliefs, what does it look like to let God redefine who we are?

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

In this episode of The Ordinary Discipleship Podcast, we explore how the stories we carry shape the way we follow Jesus. Jessie Cruickshank and Julia unpack the role of autobiographical memory, false narratives, and the four core storylines of identity, community, maturity, and authority in our spiritual formation. We look at how the Holy Spirit exposes lies we’ve internalized and rewrites our story, not through self-determination or trying harder, but through repentance, truth, and transformation that reshapes even our brains.

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.

What if discipleship isn’t about trying harder, learning more, or getting your theology exactly right—but about being reshaped at the level of story and identity?

In this episode of The Ordinary Discipleship Podcast, Jacob is joined by Jessie Cruickshank and Julia Schmaltz to explore how God actually forms us. Drawing from their book Becoming Good News, they unpack how discipleship works not primarily through information, but through experience, story, and the way God designed our minds and bodies to change.

The conversation weaves together neuroscience, theology, and lived experience—especially the role of autobiographical memory, identity formation, and the stories we live out of every day. Along the way, they challenge performance-based models of discipleship and offer a hopeful vision: God has already built transformation into us. Our task is not to strive, but to surrender and participate.

If you’ve ever felt inadequate to make disciples, exhausted by “trying harder,” or curious about how faith actually works on Monday morning, this episode opens a different way forward.

In this episode, you’ll explore:

• Why most discipleship fails when it relies on information alone
• The difference between semantic memory and autobiographical memory
• How story shapes identity and transformation
• Why faith is relational before it is doctrinal
• What it means to “become good news” rather than just talk about it

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Jessie Cruickshank is a disciple-maker, wilderness guide, and ordained minister. She has trained thousands of people how to survive when their life depended on it and earned a Master’s degree in experiential education at Harvard to learn how the brain works to help people train more effectively.

The key to discipleship is not more information, but learning how to create intentional environments where people can learn and grow. By working with the brain and treating individuals as whole persons, you too can discover how God wired our brains for transformation. You already have all the tools you need, it is time to activate them in you and your church.