On this episode of the Pound for Pound Leadership Podcast, we sit down with Pastor Jeffrey Rachmat — founder of Jakarta Praise Community Church — for one of the most honest and impactful leadership conversations we've had yet.

What started as a staff chapel quickly turned into a masterclass on leadership, succession, culture, and building through crisis.

Pastor Jeffrey shares the incredible story of launching JPCC on July 4th, 1999, during one of the most unstable seasons in Indonesia's history: economic collapse, political unrest, and churches being burned down across the nation. In the middle of chaos, God called him to build a church. At first, he said no. Eventually, he said yes. And that obedience would become the foundation of one of the most influential churches in the world today.

In this episode, we unpack:

• Why vision alone is never enough, and what actually determines whether a church survives or thrives

• The difference between building a church and simply holding services

• Why "Superman is dead" and how healthy leaders build super teams instead

• How to navigate change without losing your culture and identity

• What Pastor Jeffrey learned after leading for 25 years and successfully transitioning leadership

• How to know when an organization is truly ready for succession

• The leadership principles that helped JPCC grow in one of the hardest environments on the planet

This conversation is packed with practical wisdom, deep conviction, and leadership lessons every pastor, leader, entrepreneur, and team builder needs to hear.

If you're leading through transition, building culture, raising teams, or trying to stay faithful in difficult seasons, this episode is for you.

After a record-breaking Easter that felt like revival, Pastor Mike Kai sits down with Inspire Church staff members Deja Taheny and Chelsea West for a raw, real, and deeply relevant conversation about faith, culture, and what it actually means to be a leader in 2026.

From discerning a genuine move of God to building your life on the right foundation — this episode goes there. Don't miss it.

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0:00 – Welcome & intro
1:30 – How to tell the difference between a real move of God and emotional hype
5:45 – "The anointing is fragile" — lessons from Pastor Jack Hayford
10:20 – Building your life on rock vs. sand (and what sand is really for)
16:00 – Practical steps to start building on the Rock today
20:30 – Faith vs. fear: why faith is a will, not an emotion
24:00 – Pastor Mike's mindset non-negotiables & taking every thought captive
29:15 – Why he drives to church in silence (and what he hears)
33:00 – Staying bold for biblical truth in a culture that pushes back
38:45 – The NBA player, free speech & the shifting playing field for Christians
45:00 – Deja's journey: from liberal upbringing to biblical worldview
53:30 – Chelsea's story: social justice, 2020, and voting by conviction
1:02:00 – How to discern when to speak and when to wait (the "cry wolf" principle)
1:07:00 – What Pastor Mike is reading right now (The Titus 10 & The Jesus Discoveries)
1:12:00 – One challenge for the next generation: READ
1:15:00 – Closing prayer & send-off

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What happens when God calls someone who doesn't feel qualified?

In this episode of the Pound for Pound Leadership Podcast, Pastor Travis Hearn shares the untold story behind leading Impact Church in Scottsdale, Arizona. His journey wasn't easy, it included growing up in a broken home, a life altering night in jail, stepping into a church on the brink of foreclosure, and years of faithfully building without recognition.

Just when things seemed to be moving forward, he faced a setback that doctors said he would never recover from.

In this powerful conversation, Travis opens up about the leadership lesson that completely transformed how he views calling, faithfulness, and obedience to God. If you're a leader navigating uncertainty or trying to stay faithful in a noisy world, this episode will both challenge and encourage you.

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