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Science of Reading: The Podcast

Science of Reading: The Podcast

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Science of Reading: The Podcast will deliver the latest insights from researchers and practitioners in early reading. Via a conversational approach, each episode explores a timely topic related to the science of reading.

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  • S11 E3: Tier 1: Your MTSS Foundation, with Sarah Brown, Ph.D.
    Oct 7 2026

    While Tier 1 instruction is the foundation of a successful Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS), it is also the element we most often overlook. On this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Sarah Brown, Ph.D., consultant and co-author of Effective Universal Instruction: An Action-Oriented Approach to Improving Tier 1, joins host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., to explore why this is and what it takes to give Tier 1 the attention it deserves. Together, Sarah and Susan also discuss common misconceptions about Tier 1; why a strong Tier 1 directly determines how targeted and intensive your interventions can be; and how to use data to assess whether your Tier 1 is truly working.

    Show notes:

    • Vote for Science of Reading: The Podcast to win the Signal Listener's Choice Award—voting ends Oct. 15: amplify.com/signalaward
    • Download our free companion MTSS ebook!
    • Learn more about building a sustainable, data-informed MTSS.
    • Read Effective Universal Instruction by Sarah Brown, Kim Gibbons, and Brad Niebling.
    • Read Routines for Reading Results by Sarah Brown
    • Learn more about System Impact Consulting.
    • Connect with Sarah Brown on LinkedIn.
    • Listen to Season 3 of Amplify’s Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Subscribe to Susan’s new Science of Reading Substack.
    • Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    "Our labels don't define our students' skills and abilities. The quality and intensity of our instruction is really what matters." —Sarah Brown

    "We are running ourselves ragged trying to provide intervention for too many students." —Sarah Brown

    "Tier 1 instruction really deserves the same love and attention as your interventions and other tiers." —Sarah Brown

    "MTSS is a framework, not a roadmap, which means it doesn't look the same in every school." —Sarah Brown

    Timestamps*:
    0:00 Introduction: Tier 1: The MTSS foundation, with Sarah Brown
    3:00 Sarah Brown's background and path to MTSS
    6:00 Defining Tier 1 instruction
    10:00 What an effective Tier 1 looks like
    14:00 Why a strong Tier 1 enables targeted intervention
    17:00 Using data to assess your Tier 1
    21:00 Common misconceptions about Tier 1
    22:00 What Tier 1 intervention looks like
    27:00 Common themes in Tier 1
    38:00 Effective Universal Instruction and closing thoughts
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute


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    46 mins
  • S11 E2: Putting your MTSS into practice, with Matthew Burns, Ph.D.
    Sep 23 2026

    What does it actually take to move a Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS) from concept to practice? That's what University of Florida's Fien Endowed Professor of Special Education and University of Florida Literacy Institute Assistant Director Matthew Burns, Ph.D., explores with host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., on this new episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast. Together, Matt and Susan also discuss the real difference between an MTSS and Response to Intervention (RTI), and why the two get conflated so often; why strong core instruction is the foundation upon which everything else depends; and three trouble spots that can derail an MTSS: data use, team meetings, and intervention matching.

    Show notes:

    • Sign up for our Literacy Data and MTSS Week.
    • Learn more about the International MTSS Association and its Journal for MTSS.
    • Connect with Matthew Burns on LinkedIn.
    • Listen to Season 3 of Amplify’s Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Subscribe to Susan’s new Science of Reading Substack.
    • Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:
    "I would argue a well-embedded MTSS should be almost invisible." —Matthew Burns

    "Without good core instruction, nothing else matters." —Matthew Burns

    Timestamps*:
    2:00 Introduction: Putting an MTSS into practice, with Matthew Burns, Ph.D.
    4:00 What an MTSS is, and clearing up confusion with RTI
    9:00 Common pitfalls in MTSS implementation
    12:00 What effective professional learning communities look like
    17:00 The history of the MTSS and curriculum-based measurement
    21:00 Awareness vs. true understanding of MTSS use
    23:00 Why core instruction has to come first, and how to target intervention
    30:00 The International MTSS Association
    36:00 Integrating academic and behavior support
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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    39 mins
  • S11 E1: MTSS 101: What it is and what it isn't, with Joan Schumann, Ph.D.
    Sep 9 2026

    MTSS explores the Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS), from foundational concepts to practical implementation. To kick things off, Joan Schumann, Ph.D., founding executive director of the International MTSS Association, joins host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., to provide an overview of an MTSS—what it is, what it isn't, and its core elements. Together, Joan and Susan discuss the core beliefs that make or break an MTSS implementation, what a prevention-oriented mindset looks like in a school, and why early access to intervention is central to the MTSS framework.

    Show notes:

    • Sign up for our Literacy Data and MTSS Week.
    • Learn more about the International MTSS Association and its Journal for MTSS.
    • Connect with Joan Schumann on LinkedIn.
    • Subscribe to Season 3 of Amplify's Beyond My Years podcast.
    • Subscribe to Susan's new Science of Reading Substack.
    • Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
    • Connect with Susan Lambert.

    Quotes:

    "You cannot implement the [MTSS] framework if you don't believe all kids can learn." —Joan Schumann

    "If we all start engaging in these small shifts and calls for change, it'll be just like the Science of Reading, only it'll be the science of learning." —Joan Schumann

    "Don't underestimate the power of starting small, or raising a question in a meeting, or challenging a belief that you hear. I think it's through these small acts of courage that you can have a big impact."

    Timestamps*:
    0:00 Introduction: MTSS 101, with Joan Schumann, Ph.D.
    4:00 Joan's background and journey in education
    9:00 An overview of MTSS
    10:00 The core belief at the heart of MTSS
    17:00 MTSS as a prevention-oriented system
    19:00 Rethinking school structure
    25:00 Common MTSS misconceptions
    28:00 How MTSS and special education relate
    33:00 Breaking down the core elements of MTSS
    36:00 MTSS beyond literacy
    38:00 The International MTSS Association
    46:00 Final thoughts
    *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute


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    50 mins
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