Jake and Damian tackle the question nobody prepares you for: how do you actually know when it's time to walk away?

Whether it's a job, a career, a relationship, or a version of yourself you've been fighting to hold onto, leaving is one of the hardest decisions any of us will ever make. But across nearly 450 conversations on High Performance, one thing keeps coming up: the people who walk away well aren't the ones who had no choice. They're the ones who knew exactly what they were walking towards.

In this episode, Jake and Damian hear from:

• Phil Jones on the training ground moment he knew his body had made the decision for him.
• Joe Hart on what it really felt like when Pep Guardiola said he didn't fit the system.
• Eddie Howe on why taking a full year out of management was the best thing he ever did, and why going straight back would have been a disaster.
• Michail Antonio on turning down a top six club because the role felt wrong.
• And Stuart Broad on the FaceTime call with his wife that helped him trust his gut on the biggest decision of his career.
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If there's something in your life you're not sure whether to stay with or let go of, this one's for you.

Listen to full episodes:

Phil Jones https://pod.fo/e/26c0f1

Joe Hart https://pod.fo/e/24b0f2

Eddie Howe https://pod.fo/e/14d4d9

Michail Antonio https://pod.fo/e/23c4d8

Stuart Broad https://pod.fo/e/2093a6

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Nick Fry bought an underperforming Formula 1 team for £1 and went on to win the World Championship. But before the historic 2009 fairy tale with Brawn GP, Nick and his wife had to face the ultimate risk: agreeing that if they lost everything, they would be perfectly content living on tinned tuna for the rest of their lives.

In this episode, the former CEO of Brawn and Mercedes strips away the glamour of the paddock to share a masterclass in high-stakes leadership, belief, and crisis management. He reveals how financial pressure became a performance driver and how solving one problem at a time laid the foundation for Mercedes’ dominance.

Nick also shares his thoughts on collective performance over individual ego, why hard work beats talent, and the key decisions that shaped Brawn’s rise to the top of Formula 1.

This is a must-listen for anyone facing insurmountable odds, closing with a simple message from a man who lived it: “If you're gonna do it, just go for it. Don’t mess around.”

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Ben Stokes has just announced his retirement from international cricket. And the person who can best explain what that decision truly costs — and what Stokes has meant as a captain and a human being — is Stuart Broad.

Stuart retired in 2023 on his own terms: last ball, The Oval, England versus Australia. In this conversation, he tells the full story of the night he walked down the hotel corridor and knocked on Stokesy's door to tell him it was over. What happened in that room, and how he felt when he woke up the next morning, is something every leader will recognise.

But this conversation goes much deeper than retirement. Stuart opens up about the T20 World Cup in Durban — the day six sixes were hit off one over, and how the humiliation changed everything. He explains the mental frameworks he quietly built over the following 16 years: warrior mode, assassin mode, the daily note-making practice that started as a cricket habit and became a life habit. And he makes a case that the game is not 80% mental — it's closer to 90.

A brilliant episode on performance, legacy, and knowing when to walk away.

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