Episodes

  • Embracing the Messy Yes
    Jan 16 2026

    This week's health care communication topics include:

    • the critical role of pharmacists in public health,

    • ways to reduce resistance and increase receptivity from patients

    • the advantages of sound bites and talking points,

    • the importance of tailoring messages for specific audiences, and

    • what it means to "embrace the messy yes" of patient interactions.

    Guest Messenger
    Dr. Christina Madison, a clinical pharmacist specializing in public health with a focus on communicable diseases and founder of The Public Health Pharmacist

    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    2:46 Christina’s Origin Story
    5:09 Every Day I Was Helping Someone
    7:36 Every Pharmacist is a Public Health Pharmacist
    9:34 Communication is Even More Important For Pharmacists
    11:21 Making That First Connection (and Meaning It)
    13:34 Christina's Only Formal Communication Training
    17:07 Sound Bites & Talking Points
    19:10 Disciplined Messages & Back-of-Napkin Summaries
    20:30 The Snapchat of Vaccinations
    21:28 You Can’t Use The Same Message for Everyone
    22:31 That’s a You Problem, Not a Them Problem
    24:05 I Realized I Failed Them
    27:25 The Best Thing You Can Do is Shut the Hell Up
    28:48 Asking Permission
    32:04 Moving the Needle to Receptivity
    34:04 The Blowhard at the End of the Bar
    35:35 We Optimize Health Care by Working as a Team
    37:10 The Evolution of the Pharmacy Tech
    40:50 EveryHCP Needs a YouTube Channel
    46:24 Is it Really a Soft Skill?
    49:08 Embrace the Messy Yes
    51:40 Educator Shout-Out: Dr. Dennis Fuller

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    Good communication is essential to good health care.

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    55 mins
  • I'm Just Teaching Infection
    Jan 9 2026

    This week's topics include:

    • teaching as a way of connecting with patients,

    • trusting the intelligence of your patients (and yourself),

    • finding the common ground necessary for patient conversations, and

    • learning communication in both the classroom and the exam room.

    Guest Messenger
    Dr. Cedric "Jamie" Rutland, pulmonary critical care physician and producer/creator of Medicine Deconstructed and The Health Exchange Podcast.

    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    2:29 Jamie’s Origin Story
    5:39 The Lack of Connection to What Patients Understood
    6:36 I Would Enter the Room and Start Teaching
    8:01 You Oughta Start a YouTube Channel
    10:45 Teaching Physicians How to Communicate
    12:20 The Problem With COVID
    13:43 The Geometry of Immunology
    14:56 I’m Just Teaching Infection
    17:07 The Struggle to Connect
    18:27 Trusting the Intelligence of the People to Whom We’re Speaking
    20:26 The Ground Where Discussion Can Take Place
    23:49 You’re Smart Enough to Explain This
    26:52 Patients Don’t Have to Take Board Exams
    28:30 Memorizing Minutiae vs. Learning Communication
    30:17 Small Problem: The Family Was Racist
    32:22 You Need to Learn How to Storytell
    35:33 The Problem is the Role-Modeling
    36:42 Where Med Schools are Failing Miserably
    38:40 I Can Make Anyone a Good, Solid Communicator
    41:17 Go in There and Tell Her She Has Cancer
    44:01 A Story About Speakers’ Training
    48:28 Give Me More Todd
    49:50 The Importance of Being Open-Eared
    53:19 Educator Shout-Out: Dr. Mohammed Milhem
    54:11 Eagles-49ers Predictions

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    57 mins
  • Storytelling is a Cheat Code
    Jan 2 2026

    This week we dig in to:

    • storytelling as a tool for health communication,

    • strategies for delivering information & building health literacy in entertaining ways,

    • why the human brain prefers stories over logic, and

    • the power of narrative to educate, engage, and empower patients.

    Guest Messenger
    Tim Jones, co-founder and CEO of Health Nuts Media

    Chapters
    Tim0:00 Intro
    2:00 Tim's (Emmy-Award Winning) Origin Story
    4:00 Talking to Teens About Cancer & Chemotherapy
    5:40 Dropping Names & Saving Lives
    6:59 Addressing Health Literacy & Underserved Populations
    9:23 Storytelling is a Cheat Code
    10:34 The Human Brain is a Story Processor, Not a Logic Processor
    12:23 Curling Up on the Couch With a Good Spreadsheet?
    13:00 Empathy Machines...
    14:05 …vs. Data Machines
    16:29 The Power of Metaphor
    18:45 We All Want Closure
    19:29 Why So Serious?
    21:34 Graduating at 70% Effectiveness
    22:46 The Real Danger of the Algorithms
    25:15 Optimizing the Health Care Communication Ecosystem
    26:50 Preparing for Those Precious 8 Minutes
    28:37 Wheel of Fortune & Taking Some of the Burden Off
    33:33 Animation & The Elimination of Bias
    34:39 Family Guy & The Best COVID-19 Vaccine Explainer Ever
    36:54 Health Nuts Clip: "50 Things You Might See in the Hospital"
    39:45 Health Nuts Clip: "NPO Instructions"
    43:53 Communicating to People Where They Are
    46:04 Talk to Me About Hospice When You’re Shoveling Dirt on My Coffin
    48:15 David Byrne, Lyrical Tricks, and Opening the Door for Patients
    50:07 Our Job is Not to be Encyclopedic
    50:52 Everything is Tuberculosis
    52:35 The Idea of Narrative Medicine
    54:50 Educator Shout-Out: Professor Michael Mott
    55:49 Mystery, Not Muddle

    Show Links
    Family Guy COVID 19 Video Explainer

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    58 mins
  • (Really, Truly) Meeting People Where They Are
    Dec 26 2025

    This week's topics include:

    • the intersection of competence and communication,

    • strategies for teaching communication in both med school and residency,

    • some skill sets that improve every patient visit,

    • the NURSE mnemonic for patient interactions, and

    • the importance of (really, truly) meeting patients where they are both physically and emotionally.

    Guest Messenger
    Dr. Andy Nowalk, Clinical Director of the Division of Infectious Diseases at UPMC Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh and Associate Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine

    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    1:10 The Robert Klein to Our Johnny Carson
    2:59 Communication is a Muscle
    3:46 Families Have Trouble Seeing Competence
    5:58 Combining My Educator Hat & My Infectious Disease Hat
    7:35 Kurt Russell, Used Cars, & Essential Oils
    8:51 Several Levels of Benefits
    10:50 Residency Program Communication Strategy
    13:22 A Clarification About Todd & Clinical Errors
    14:15 Interventions That Start You Off on the Right Foot
    16:52 Listening for Emotion & Using the NURSE Mnemonic
    20:46 Actually Meeting People Where They Are
    23:35 You Do This Every Day
    25:25 If You Ignore it, the Visit is Over
    26:58 I Can Give You a Tool Set That Makes Every Visit Better
    28:49 People Don’t Realize How Long Bad Communication Takes
    31:37 Building a General Tool Set
    33:30 How Do You Get Them to Use Their Stethoscope?
    35:35 Like Reaching for the Right Antibiotic
    37:44 One of the Things Drove Me Out of Academia
    39:40 Introductions & Expectations
    41:40 The Death Knell of Most Medical Conversations
    42:30 A Little Bit of Teach-Back Goes a Long Way
    43:52 The Kitchen Table Test
    44:52 Circling Back to Where We Started
    47:37 Standing on the Shoulders of Giants

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    49 mins
  • The Muddied Waters of Health Care
    Dec 19 2025

    Our topics this week include:

    • shared clinical decision-making,

    • the often muddy waters of health care in 2025,

    • the importance of creating support tools for front-line clinicians, and

    • some helpful, practical tips for health care providers to use in practice.

    Guest Messenger
    Dr. Charlene Wong, pediatrician and Executive-in-Residence at the Common Health Coalition

    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    0:35 Shoutout to Our Theme Musician
    1:38 Dr. Wong’s (Highly Impressive) Background
    4:56 Communicascope Training
    6:42 The Importance of Proactive, Strategic Communication
    8:49 Tiny Tears of Joy
    9:48 How Do We Enhance Our Public Trust?
    10:59 RSV Communication & What "Feels Real"
    14:38 Distilling the Message for Front-Line Clinicians
    16:50 In 2025, It’s Not Just Face-to-Face
    19:24 What the CDC Says Matter Less Than We Think
    21:13 The Common Health Coalition
    25:29 Creating Clinician Support Tools
    27:14 It’s Gotten Trickier Out There
    28:46 Shared Clinical Decision-Making
    32:11 A Muddying of the Health Care Waters
    33:44 Important Points on Vaccine Coverage & Documentation
    36:03 So Many Providers Were Asking the Same Questions
    39:01 Avoiding the Ol' "Safe and Effective"
    39:56 Why are We Doing This in the First Place?

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    43 mins
  • In the Era of Algorithms & Instant Gratification
    Dec 12 2025

    This week we explore:

    • the pros, cons, and cautions of social media,

    • the tension between what you learn in med school and what patients want in the exam room,

    • the necessity of engaging patients both in-person and online, and

    • the need for common humanity in health communication.

    GUEST MESSENGER
    Dr. Margot Savoy, Chief Medical Officer of the American Academy of Family Physicians

    CHAPTERS
    0:00 Intro
    1:40 When Todd Met Margo...
    3:58 The Wild, Wild West of Social Media
    5:31 The Best Social Media Platform is...
    7:35 Questioning & Challenging the Discourse
    10:54 If You Like Us in the Office, You’ll Love Us Online
    12:07 Serving Patients in the Era of Algorithms & Instant Gratification
    14:03 Finding & Normalizing HCPs
    16:22 The Lessons of Selfies & Sourdough
    20:20 Social Media Abhors a Vacuum
    22:44 The Trust You Have is Transferrable
    24:30 The Value of Social Listening (Before it Was Called That)
    26:35 Building Trust By Admitting What You Don’t Know
    31:00 Med School Doesn’t Teach Us to Be Warm & Fuzzy
    35:42 We Just Need to Do Better
    37:28 This Core Idea of Humanism
    39:46 Your Single Best Diagnostic Tool
    41:02 There are at Least Four Truths
    43:41 Real Trust & Connection by Just Being You
    45:31 The Three Most Important Words in Communication
    46:30 You Should Come Back Next Week

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    48 mins
  • Origin Stories & Value-Based Comms
    Dec 5 2025

    In our first episode, co-hosts Chad Hermann and Dr. Todd Wolynn talk about their work at the Trusted Messenger Program, consider how (and why) local health care providers are America's most Trusted Messengers, explore why good communication is essential to good health care, and drop a few hints on the focus of future episodes.

    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    1:30 The Todd & Chad Origin Story
    5:10 Communication Makes Everything Better
    6:07 Long Before We Talked the Talk, We Walked the Walk
    7:57 A Culture of Communication, Locally & Nationally
    9:35 The Difference Between Use & Power
    11:15 A Year of Radical Meltdowns
    14:25 Trust is Local
    17:14 Taking the Social Out of Social Media
    20:01 The Only Issue in America on Which Everyone Agrees
    22:02 Empowering All Health Care Providers
    24:08 When None of the Hands in the Room Go Up
    25:02 Your Clinical Acumen Means Absolutely Nothing
    26:26 C-Suites, Burnout Data, & Value-Based Care Gaps
    30:24 Free CME & Impromptu Comedy Routines
    33:41 We Have a Lot of Ground to Cover
    34:56 The Rise of Digital Natives
    41:39 From Green Day to Jeff Verszyla
    43:22 People Who Read People (& Chad’s Happy Face)
    45:45 Where We’re Failing
    47:35 Good Communication is Essential to Good Health Care
    48:22 Quality, Efficiency, & Effectiveness

    New episodes drop every Friday.

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    Good communication is essential to good health care.

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    52 mins