• Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 14 - Forgiveness
    Jan 12 2026

    Happy New Year, we're back!

    The theme for the first episode of the year is forgiveness.

    What is forgiveness, really? Is it a feeling? How to forgive someone who has really hurt you?

    Shachar and Liisa discuss forgiveness, exploring its meaning and process. Liisa shares a personal story of forgiving those who hurt her, a journey that took almost ten years. Shachar adds a Jewish perspective, highlighting the complexity of forgiving historical atrocities.

    You don't want to miss this, so tune in!

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    55 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 13 - Hanukkah & Christmas
    Dec 22 2025

    Holiday Special!

    Liisa and Shachar sit down for a festive chat about the two big holidays celebrated by Christians and Jews – Christmas and Hanukkah.

    What are some of the background stories related to these festivals?

    Why do Jews celebrate Hanukkah?

    Does Christmas really have pagan roots as they say?

    How do Liisa and Shachar celebrate these holidays, or do they?

    Liisa and Shachar share what they do (or don’t) celebrate and what the holidays mean to them.

    Join in on another interesting discussion in the holiday spirit. You know, 'Tis the Season!

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    42 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 12 - Anxiety & Depression
    Dec 8 2025

    We do not claim to be doctors, but we do have thoughts on the modern “plague” of depression and anxiety. As two human beings, both of us have walked that path ourselves, so this time we’re sharing our deeper thoughts about the matter as well as our personal stories of what we ourselves have experienced.

    Our goal is to find some practical tools for listeners who might -just like us- struggle with depressing thoughts.

    Obviously Liisa is also going to share some light on what the Scripture is saying about the subject.

    Join us for an honest, lively conversation that tackles a dark subject with hope, humor, and real talk.

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    48 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 11 - Is Every Sin Redeemable?
    Nov 24 2025

    Last time we got into a deep discussion about God's grace, and how inclusive/exclusive it is. We left off with a cliffhanger of Shachar asking Liisa's opinion about sin and if every sin truly could be redeemed. And if so, how and why, and how fair is it? We are no theologians here, in this episode Liisa is simply sharing her view of the matter. And with her new Bible in her hands, basing her answers on the scripture.

    Join us for another interesting and candid conversation, where - once again - we're keeping it real!

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    50 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 10 - Selective Grace
    Nov 10 2025

    Liisa recently embarked on a journey to Israel, exploring - amongst the usual sites - the Gaza border. She's sharing her most unforgettable experiences and encounters from the trip. However, one particular story had a surprisingly different impact on Shachar, sparking a thought-provoking discussion about the nature of God's grace and its perceived selectivity.

    The debate that ensued was not only intriguing but also enjoyable!

    Tune in to this episode to hear their lively conversation and gain insight into their unique perspectives.

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    52 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 9 - Healthy and Toxic Masculinity
    Oct 27 2025

    Unpacking the complexities of modern masculinity! Is it a force for good or a recipe for disaster? Join Liisa and Shachar as they dive into the nuances of healthy masculinity, exploring what it looks like in Israel and in Finland, and uncovering insights from the Bible, as well as their personal views.

    And obviously Liisa has written down her list of manly attributes!

    Get ready for another fun and interesting episode!

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    47 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - The Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 8 - Two years' memorial of Oct 7th
    Oct 13 2025

    Two years has passed since the terrible attacks took place in Israel in Oct 7th. Join us as we mark the second anniversary of the event. We'll be discussing the personal and global implications as an Israeli Jew who lost his uncle in the aftermath, and as a Christian who feels deeply for her Jewish friends and community.

    Shachar will share his thoughts on safety, identity, and community in today's world, and Liisa offers her perspective on the current global atmosphere and her thoughts on the situation. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation about faith, hope, and the human experience. Is there anything that we as the world and as a community can learn from all of this?

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    45 mins
  • Two Outsiders In - Holy & Unholy Conversations - Episode 7 - Perspectives
    Sep 29 2025

    In this episode, Shachar and Liisa engage in a thoughtful discussion about the recent passing of Charlie Kirk, sharing their reflections on the news and its impact.

    They also continue their conversation from the previous episode, delving deeper into the significance of Israel's existence as a nation and exploring the relevance of the Jewish people from both biblical and contemporary perspectives.

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    46 mins