In a recent BYU Devotional, President Dallin H. Oaks said, "We are grateful to know that there are two methods of gaining needed knowledge: (1) the evolving disclosures of man discovered by the scientific method and (2) the truths disclosed by the spiritual method, which begins with faith in God and relies on scriptures, inspired teaching, and personal revelation. There is no ultimate conflict between knowledge gained by these different methods because God, our omnipotent Eternal Father, knows all truth and beckons us to learn by both methods."

As a professor of Social Work, Dr. Cole Hooley expertly teaches us how to apply both methods in our everyday lives as covenant keepers. He envisions a world where no one is left behind. Researchers are developing powerful tools to alleviate suffering, and his mission is to get them to everyone who needs them. Cole pursues this mission through a unique blend of clinical practice, teaching, research, and civic leadership.

As a psychotherapist, Dr. Hooley provides direct care that grounds him in clients' real-world needs. As a professor of social work, he trains the next generation of clinicians to deliver compassionate, evidence-based services. As a researcher, he studies mental health services and implementation science—focusing on how proven interventions can be scaled and sustained within behavioral health care systems. His experience as a city council member and as a consultant to state agencies helps him translate research into actionable policy.

At the systems level, Cole is interested in bridging the gap between academia and policy. His goal is to produce rigorous research that is also practical and actionable for policymakers, system leaders, and community stakeholders. By integrating research and practice, he aims to help build innovative, equitable, and sustainable behavioral health systems. Cole's research interests were born from his experiences in New York City, St. Louis, Utah, Uganda, Rwanda, and the UK.

Elder Ulisses Soares said, "Among the qualities that adorn true disciples of Christ, temperance stands out as a reflection of the Savior Himself, a precious fruit of the Spirit, available to all who open themselves to divine influence. It is the virtue that brings harmony to the heart, shaping desires and emotions with wisdom and calmness. In the scriptures, temperance is presented as an essential part of the progress in our spiritual journey, leading us toward patience, godliness, and compassion while refining our feelings, our words, and our actions."

Our guest for this episode, Sonya Stucki, stands out as a woman who exemplifies the temperance Elder Soares spoke of. Sonya brings a sense of wisdom and calmness to her interactions and radiates warmth and acceptance. We are excited to share this episode and know you will enjoy listening in on our visit around Sonya's kitchen table.

Sonya Stucki's life is a beautiful testament to long-term love and devoted discipleship. A lifelong member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Sonya's journey with her husband began when they were just teenagers; they later married after he returned from his mission to Finland. Today, they are the proud parents of six children and their beautiful spouses, and they are eagerly anticipating the arrival of their 11th grandchild!

Sonya and two of her dear friends started a jewelry business years ago, while they were all still raising young children at home: Tres' Jolie jewelry. They experienced great success, selling jewelry at Nordstrom nationwide. Their success sweetened their sisterhood, and they remain dear friends today.

Whether she is exploring creative passions, building deep relationships, or seeking the stillness of the scriptures, Sonya's heart centers on Christ. For over 13 years, Sonya and her husband have found fulfillment serving in the temple. She feels a profound sense of gratitude for being a witness to the "marvelous things" happening in the world today and finds her greatest joy in her Savior and in the work of His kingdom.

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President Dallin H. Oaks said, "A good marriage does not require a perfect man or a perfect woman. It only requires a man and a woman committed to strive together toward perfection."

Two amazing young people who are committed to striving together toward perfection are our guests for this episode: Abree Franklin and Jamison Bell. We appreciate them sharing their story with us! We loved capturing this moment in time with Abree and Jamison as they are on the brink of their happily ever after.

Abree is from Meridian, Idaho. She served her mission in Tucson, Arizona, and is studying Communication Disorders at BYU to become a Speech Language Pathologist. She also dreams of teaching seminary at some point. Abree is passionate about reading, getting outside, stepping out of her comfort zone, learning the gospel, and spending time with Jamison.

Jamison was born in Sacramento, California. He served his mission in the Chile Santiago South Mission. He is currently attending BYU, studying biology with the intention of pursuing a career in dentistry. In his free time, he loves watching and playing all kinds of sports, working out, listening to music, spending time with family, and being with Abree.

President Dallin H. Oaks once shared the profound impact women had on his discipleship: "I am a product of the teaching of women... The most important teachers that I've had in the area of Church doctrine and service and family responsibilities—ranking right up there with the prophets of the Church—have been women."

The influence of a righteous woman is a gift that blesses every soul it touches. In this episode, we are privileged to learn from Kati Bailey. Kati is a 'doer of the word,' consistently striving to fortify her faith in Christ. She is a devoted wife to Carson, a brand-new mother, and someone who listens and observes others' needs. She is a hard worker and a joy visit with.

Note: Kati is married to Caralee's son, Carson. You can catch his story in Episode 6.

Kati grew up in Lindon, Utah, as the only daughter in a family of six boys. Growing up, she enjoyed running, skiing, mountain biking, sports, and just about anything that involved being outside. She met her husband, Carson, thanks to a church talk, a torn hip flexor, and the help of both their moms. Kati attended BYU, where she graduated with a degree in Elementary Education. Recently, Kati and Carson welcomed a baby boy to their family. Kati now has the privilege of being home with him, and he brings so much joy into her life.

President Dallin H. Oaks recently taught, "It is vital that Latter-day Saints do not lose their understanding of the purpose of marriage and the value of children."

Our guest for this episode is Nate Foutz. As a young father, he understands the purpose of marriage and the value of children. He and his wife, Kate, are helping their children grow in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

This last year brought heartache to Nate and his family as they mourned the passing of his mom, Margriet. Nate's faith in our Father's Plan is evident as he shares his tender feelings for his mom and their continued relationship. We know you will enjoy listening to Nate share his love for family and fatherhood in this episode.

Nate Foutz grew up in Mapleton, Utah, as the third of five siblings. His parents made sure they all had opportunities to explore music, reading, sports, and youth groups. Most importantly, they were taught to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Nate served as a missionary in the coastal areas of Virginia and North Carolina. In 2017, he married Kate Elsey. After graduating from BYU with a degree in English Language, he spent a couple of years as a teacher: first teaching English as a Second Language, and then teaching Seminary part-time. He is now working in the software industry. Currently, his greatest accomplishment is working with Kate to keep their three young children alive, well-fed, and relatively happy. Together, the Foutz family enjoys taking walks, reading, camping, movies, music, and racing each other in Mario Kart.

In the October 2025 general conference, Sister J. Anette Dennis said, "Christlike treatment of others goes far beyond our families and congregations. It includes our sisters and brothers of other faiths or no faith at all. It includes our brothers and sisters from other countries and cultures, as well as those of different political persuasions. We are all part of the family of God, and He loves all His children. He desires that His children love Him and also one another."

Breanna Pennock grew up in an energetic family that taught her to love all of God's children. She has channeled that energy toward expressing love to our brothers and sisters throughout the world.

Breanna grew up in Lindon, Utah, and started her college journey playing soccer at BYU–Hawaii, where she spent every spare moment surfing, hiking, and exploring the island. After serving a mission in Portugal, Breanna transferred to BYU in Provo to study accounting and discovered a love for strategic problem-solving and business.

Now, she's the Chief Strategy Officer at HXP—an international nonprofit that leads humanitarian trips across the globe for thousands of youth. It's fast-paced, meaningful, and never dull. Outside of work, Breanna invests in real estate, loves staying active, and is always on the lookout for her next adventure.

So far, Breanna has visited over 40 countries, bungee jumped in New Zealand, and completed two five-day wilderness survival competitions in Maine. Her main joy comes from spending Saturdays at the Orem temple as a temple worker. She's been doing that for 5 years now at both the Orem and Provo temples, and she loves every minute of it. Breanna is grateful for her time with God and for seeing His miracles in her life every day.

In April 2003 President Susan W. Tanner said, "To be steadfast in Christ implies keeping covenants. Each week we renew our baptismal covenants to take His name upon us, to "always remember him," and to "keep his commandments". We are steadfast in Christ when we do these things, and our spirits are lifted and our hearts are filled with love. Simply stated, when I keep my covenants, I feel hope and I feel love."

We felt hope and love as we visited with Sister Tanner for this episode. Listeners will remember her from her time as the Young Women's general president from 2002 to 2008.

In this conversation, Sister Tanner shares about nurturing and ministering in her family and in the church. She also shares personal interactions with President Oaks, including how he came to minister to her and her husband, John, following a serious bike accident.

Susan Tanner, daughter of Richard and Barbara Winder, grew up with her three brothers on a dairy farm in Granger, Utah, surrounded by her extended family. Susan graduated from BYU with a degree in Humanities with an emphasis in English and French. She loves to read, run, hike, cook, and sew. She and her husband, John, have lived in California, Florida, England, Brazil, Utah, and Hawaii. Sister Tanner is the mother of five children, including one son and four daughters. More than anything, she loves being a wife, mother, and grandmother.

Sister Tanner has presided over all the women's auxiliaries at both the ward and stake levels and has served as a temple ordinance worker. She has been on Church writing committees and was a member of the Relief Society General Board for a few months before being called as Young Women General President in 2002. In 2009, she was called to write a book about the history and purpose of Relief Society, Daughters in My Kingdom. Sister Tanner served with her husband as mission leaders in the Brazil, São Paulo South Mission. Later, Brother and Sister Tanner enjoyed serving as president and companion at BYU Hawaii.

The Family Proclamation states, "Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally."

Our guest for this episode, Michelle Hansen, is a humble, gentle, and kind disciple. Her son Drew was 13 years old when he unexpectedly passed away in July 2023. Michelle understands the ache of having a child on the other side of the veil. We marvel at her ability to deliver a pure testimony of our Savior's plan of happiness and her capacity to keep an eternal perspective. Michelle also shares powerful stories about her family joining the church in Japan and miracles from missionary work.

Michelle's husband once gave her a shirt that says, "Having a weird mom builds character." She wears it with pride! Michelle Hansen is a mother of six children. She grew up in Orem, Utah, and graduated from Orem High School. She served an LDS mission in São Paulo, Brazil. Michelle later earned a degree in Music Education and a Master's in Clarinet Performance from Brigham Young University before marrying Bruce Hansen and raising her family. She has worked as a flight attendant for United Airlines and currently teaches piano, clarinet, and early music concepts to young children. Michelle has played the clarinet for the Orchestra at Temple Square since 2007. She also enjoys cooking, playing tennis, and serving in her local community.