The Exit the Matrix podcast is all about investigating what it is to life an abundant life, what gets in the way and once you find it how you keep in the flow. My guest Lisa Thomas says things that don't make sense are often inherited. Maybe it's not you.

Lisa is a TEDx speaker and the author of Mistakes into Money, and she works in energy healing and epigenetics. Her view is that the emotional experiences of the people who came before us can be passed down through what she calls cellular memory, and that some of the patterns we fight, a fear that makes no sense or a feeling that nothing is ever enough, may not have started with us.

I first heard Lisa speak at a retreat in early 2025, and it blew my mind. In this conversation, I ask the questions I have carried since: what a life of abundance really looks like, and what quietly holds it back.

Lisa tells the story of a business owner who made about 500,000 and still felt it was not enough, and the fear Lisa traced back to the Great Depression. She separates what we inherit from what we witness. Gifts and talents, she says, are inherited. Luck is not. She describes what "not enough" actually looks like in a driven person, why she says the subconscious thinks it is protecting you, and why she believes your mistakes can become your work.

Along the way: the simplest practice she shares for a hard emotion, and what it means to be the cycle breaker in your family.

Lisa shares her own views and experiences with energy healing and epigenetics. It is not medical advice.

If you have built a good life and still feel something is quietly holding you back, this conversation is for you.

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Greg Cassar's freedom formula is income divided by stress. He calls it his coolness factor, measures his decisions with it, and has passed on money that failed the test.

Greg is a profit strategist and coach who runs The Collective, a mastermind that started with marketing and grew into selling, mindset, emotional intelligence, health, investing and lifestyle design, because every time he helped his clients solve one problem, he found the next thing holding them back.

Jane asks him what a life of abundance really means, and what he has seen across the people he coaches. His answer is a set of clues. Freedom needs two engines: cash flow for the life you want now, and a big golden goose for later. The most successful people are smooth with their emotions. Awareness comes before change. Declare yourself, then scramble like crazy to deliver. And your peer group quietly rewrites your beliefs.

Along the way: the blank sheet of paper he uses when stress hits, why one of the best words he learned in business is "next", his one-question test for whose opinion to ignore, and why he sees the years from 50 to 75 as golden time he refuses to save for retirement.

If you have built the income and still do not have the freedom, this conversation is for you.

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Darren Stephens is a trained hypnotist, an NLP practitioner trained by Tony Robbins' teacher Dr Richard Bandler, the founder of the Success Library, and the only guest Jane has ever asked back onto the show.

The first time he came on, they talked about books. This time, Jane wants to know why people carry a limit on money, success or self-worth, and whether the stories written in our heads can actually be rewritten.

Darren answers with a pirate ship. Your conscious mind is the captain. Your unconscious is the crew. Treat the crew badly and you get a mutiny, and you call it procrastination. He explains what hypnosis really is (you go into it every night before you fall asleep), why a plank of wood proves your limits are beliefs about height, and how a red Ferrari at age 12 kept collapsing a woman's business at 35.

Along the way: the Mercedes dealership that doubled its sales after Darren walked out, the concrete floor in India where he realised he had already made it, a week before five star hotels with Dr John Gray, why your unconscious is lazy, and the five questions his family of nine answers at dinner every night.

Jane shares her own story of the dentist in Dubbo who hypnotised her from age six, and the maths teacher who nearly programmed her for life.

If you have ever set a goal, passed it, and kept striving anyway, this conversation is for you.

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