I find her refreshing. I find her intriguing. I find her wise: In wine.

Natalie brings to the proverbial table an unabashed view of wine and she will tell you like it is.

I have to tell you that having Natalie McLean on the show was one of those times where you know you could just keep talking for hours, and still barely scratch the surface. From the moment she cracked her opening line about starting to drink when she met her husband—"and haven't found a reason to stop"—I knew we were in for an episode rich in anecdotes, laughter, and real insight into the world of wine and the people orbiting it. I love a guest who doesn't take themselves too seriously, especially when that guest has the credentials and accolades to do so if they wanted.

Right off the bat, the story of how Natalie McLean first dipped her toe—well, her glass—into wine was classic. The ex-husband, the MBA couple, and the journey through Spanish classes, golf, and finally onto wine studies left me grinning. You know, everyone's path to wine is different, but hers, starting with a night course in Toronto after failed golf and Spanish efforts, reminded me that for every over-serious sommelier out there, there's a person who just wanted to relax after work and stumbled into a passion.

And let me tell you, Natalie McLean didn't just dip in; she cannonballed. I was genuinely impressed with the way she described her wine education—full sommelier diploma, authoring books like Red, White, and Drunk All Over, and racking up James Beard awards along the way. But what I really admire is her ability to bring it all down to earth. She calls herself the "Chief of Wine Happiness," which put an instant smile on my face—because at the end of the day, isn't that what a great bottle is supposed to do?

There's this refreshing honesty in Natalie McLean about wine's intimidating side. I shared my own blunders—forgetting wine for family Easter, wandering into the market like any other consumer, grabbing a brand and sometimes striking out. She had her own: sweating bullets in a restaurant interview, staring at a wine list, and famously ordering a Cabernet with Dover sole at a big consulting dinner. Didn't get the job, but it sparked that classic realization: "I never want to feel that way again." I could relate—as much as anyone, even after decades in the business, that dusty wine list in a posh restaurant can still get your palms sweaty.

The conversation took a fun turn when she described her divorce tastings—pairing Cabernets with burning love letters. We laughed, but there's a message in the humor: wine isn't just labels and numbers; it's woven into our life's best and worst moments.

We got onto selecting wine in restaurants, talking to the sommelier, and why confidence is more important than credentials. That tip Natalie McLean gave—to "point at the price" when you don't want to say it out loud—folks, I'm adopting that one! I appreciated her point: most people just want a glass of pleasure, not an encyclopedia of terroirs. That struck home.

Of course, we got nerdy too—talking about licensing, liquor laws in Canada, and the absurd hoops you still have to jump through to get a good bottle at home if you're north of the border. Yet, through it all, Natalie McLean kept it relatable and warm, whether it was "free my grapes" in Canada or shelf talkers in American supermarkets.

Put simply, Natalie McLean reminded me and, I hope, everyone listening, that wine is about stories, connection, and yes, a good laugh at yourself every now and then. And that, for me, is what keeps the conversation, and the cellar, alive.

This is what is so interesting about the wine trade. It takes a ton of passion to do this, it is hard work and sometimes, without the passion, it just feels like a vanity project. At Caiarosa in Italy, the passion extends from Bordeaux France.

I have had the pleasure to sit with the Director of the famed Chateau Giscours, a 2nd growth Bordeaux, and find their story and approach solid, but adventurous. Enter Caiarosa on the west side of Tuscany; a solidly Tuscan winery employing the methodes and thought processes of Bordeaux; sounds mixed up? Have a listen and find out why this makes sense.

Ivo Assanelli may not travel with a corkscrew in one hand and a passport in the other, but after this conversation, you'll swear he's unlocked the essence of Tuscany with each bottle he opens. This episode invites listeners into a world where the liquid in your glass is no ordinary beverage—it's a vessel for stories, heritage, and profound emotion. Paul Kalemkiarian hosts a discussion that sweeps you from windswept Tuscan hills to bustling global wine expos, all while wrestling with questions of tradition, innovation, and the ever-changing palate of a new generation. You'll immediately sense that with every uncorked bottle, Ivo Assanelli carries not just the flavors of Cairosa, but the soul of winemaking itself.

You'll learn why simply calling wine "alcohol" or "a beverage" misses its very point—and how approaching a glass, whether in California or on the coast of Tuscany, is an act steeped in generations of craft, climate, and culture. The conversation pulls listeners behind the scenes into the delicate business of sustaining organic and biodynamic vineyards, the unpredictability of weather, and the fine art of blending parcels that can shift in character every few yards. They explore the struggles and triumphs of carrying European tradition into markets where attention spans are short and every shelf is crowded, revealing that success means more than just good wine; it's about forging human connections and passing along stories that endure.

From clinking glasses at wine fairs to humble tales of filling demi-johns in Italian villages, every anecdote reinforces just how tightly wine is woven into the fabric of life. You'll come away tasting not just the terroir, but the history, the hardship, the romance, and the unwavering passion that makes a bottle come alive in your hands.

🍷 How the story in a bottle connects generations, places, and people far beyond the alcohol content
🍷 Why a wine's true personality is shaped by the challenges of each season, not just the label on the outside
🍷 The real reasons passionate wine lovers like Ivo Assanelli hit the road—sharing beauty, not chasing trends

YouTube: https://youtu.be/slLq3Qfj2vw

I have been watching, waiting, watching and waiting again...to talk with Klaas De Jong. He produces some of the most unique and cinematic wine footage in the trade. But it isn't just about the footage, it is the story telling. And he didn't come from the wine side, he is a movie maker who loves wine and he brought the two worlds together.

If ever there was a guest who could turn the scrutinizing lens of cinema on a glass of wine, it's Klaus de Jong—part philosopher, part producer, and entirely convinced that the best stories ferment slowly at the intersection of culture and entertainment. You'll leave this episode with the rarest of vintages: the inside track on how wine media is shaped, poured, and served to global audiences, straight from someone who's reimagined vine-to-glass storytelling for the screen. Klaus de Jong unpacks why wine TV shows have long lagged behind food programming, revealing how a cinematic, "Chef's Table" approach finally cracked open the vault, giving rise to serious "edutainment" for wine lovers and professionals alike 02:25.

He guides you through the dual headwinds of modern film and the wine trade—the shrinking cinema crowds, the anxious global wine industry, and the high stakes of quality demanded by platforms like Apple TV and American Airlines 09:10. Independence—no sponsors, no advertisements, just stories—remains Klaus de Jong's north star, shaping his work into something both credible and captivating. And through tales of grand cru houses and luxury Champagne brands meeting 21st-century uncertainty 14:07, you'll witness why authentic, rock-and-roll storytelling must replace snobbery if wine is to reach a new, open-minded audience 17:19.

There's even a philosophical detour into the very taste experience, courtesy of a Michelin-starred Dutch chef who turns wine pairing—and the traditional swirl-and-sniff routine—on its head 43:29. As Klaus de Jong shares his journey from the Dutch film scene to international streamers, and teases a dramatic English-language feature on the infamous "Sour Grapes" wine fraud, he peels back the curtain on the art, the hustle, and the accidental education that comes with a well-made glass and a well-told story.

🎬 What you'll learn in this episode:

• 🎬 Why wine TV was once unwelcome—and how cinematic standards opened the floodgates for wine documentaries

• 🎬 How truly independent production changes the way wine stories are told and sold

• 🎬 What luxury wine brands are facing today, from downturns to a changing consumer base

• 🎬 Why authentic, "rock-and-roll" storytelling matters more than ever in wine media

• 🎬 How a Dutch Michelin chef's no-nonsense approach to wine pairing could upend everything you ever heard from a sommelier

YouTube: https://youtu.be/XIaS_Bxguvc

She is the worlds preeminent authority on wine fraud. If you weren't even aware that wine fraud exists, if does...in a big way.

Wait until you her Maureen's disdain for Rudy Kurniawan, the famed and jailed wine fraudster (he was sent back to Singapore a few years ago), she tells it like she feels it.

You might say Maureen Downey has the world's most expensive palate—and the sharpest magnifying glass for tasting deception in a bottle. If you think wine is just about swirling, sipping, and enjoying a story-laden pour, think again. In this episode, Maureen Downey—the preeminent authority on wine fraud—uncorks a world where forgers ply their trade not just at the highest levels of Bordeaux and Burgundy, but even on supermarket shelves with bottles of everyday Yellowtail. You'll hear how the murky "gray market" and the black market enable criminal networks to slip thousands of counterfeit bottles into collections, auctions, and restaurants every year—a scandal with roots stretching all the way back to the days of Pliny the Elder.

You'll follow Maureen Downey through the meticulous, forensic process used to expose fakes. Whether it's ink chemistry, glass composition, or the subtle aging of a label, you'll discover how minute details can distinguish a $3,000 treasure from a $3 dud. Paul Kalemkiarian and Maureen Downey pull back the curtain on infamous figures like Hardy Rodenstock and Rudy Kurniawan, revealing how they manipulated auction houses, winemakers, and even world-famous critics to flood the market with masterful forgeries. With stories of sting operations and daring heists, you'll learn that organized crime isn't just lurking in the shadows of fine wine—it's operating bottling lines and distribution networks worldwide, making wine fraud a global, high-stakes game.

But it's not all drama and noir—the episode also delivers practical lessons you can apply as a consumer or collector. You'll learn why supply chain transparency is fast becoming the holy grail, how blockchain and bottle-specific ledgers are shaping the future of wine authenticity, and why "an honest glass of wine" now means more than just artful winemaking. As the episode reveals the challenges of law enforcement and regulatory blind spots, you'll walk away with the tools and insights to spot a con before you ever pop the cork.

What you'll learn:

• The fascinating history of wine fraud, from Roman times to modern-day organized crime

• How counterfeiters infiltrate every tier of the wine market, from luxury cellars to local pubs

• The forensic techniques used to detect fake bottles and labels

• Why traditional anti-fraud tools like hologram stickers fall short

• How blockchain technology is revolutionizing wine provenance and traceability

• Why even the most reputable supply chains aren't immune to tampering

• How to protect yourself and your collection from becoming the next victim

YouTube: https://youtu.be/42L-fhxk1U0

The Concours Mondial de Bruxelles is coming to Yerevan, Armenia. It is a huge feather in the cap of the Armenian wine trade and the story of how and why it landed there is inspiring. Quentin Havaux is the 3rd generation of the fames tasting and judging group and the ascent to international recognition of the CMB is quite organic and humble.

The wine trade is unforgiving and requires tenancity and patience. Quentin describes the history of CMB with pure enthusiasm and passion. And the relentless ambition to tell the stories of wine is inspiring.

Quentin Havaux believes wine isn't about intimidating jargon or arbitrary numbers—it's about the stories, the traditions, and the sheer enjoyment found in every glass. In this sparkling episode, listeners are invited to sip on the wisdom of the CEO of Vinopress, the driving force behind the influential Concours Mondial de Bruxelles. From family roots in the Belgian printing trade to orchestrating one of the world's most respected wine competitions, Quentin reveals why he's determined to keep wine approachable and full of wonder, rather than just a sum on a scale. Together with Paul Kalemkiarian, he uncorks how competition medals still shape the global wine trade, what it takes to champion emerging regions like Armenia, and how even the smallest producers can stand out when passion meets innovation.

You'll hear how Quentin's commitment to making wine enjoyable for everyone is influencing how we select, taste, and understand what's in our glass. Get ready to travel from the wine bars of Seoul to the bustling streets of Yerevan, as Quentin brings us behind the scenes—from organizing blind tastings for thousands of wines to creating new ways for both connoisseurs and novices to connect with complex flavors through simple, engaging experiences. The narrative seamlessly blends the old world with the new: ancient Armenian amphorae, fresh-faced entrepreneurs, and an ever-curious new generation seeking more than just another familiar bottle on the shelf.

Here's a taste of what you'll walk away with:

• 🍷 How aroma-driven wine lists and fresh consumer experiences are breaking down barriers for everyday drinkers in wine bars around the world.

• 🍷 Why competition medals and international tastings are more than just marketing—they're vital tools for elevating quality and helping producers from new regions gain global recognition.

• 🍷 Insights into the challenges—and unique opportunities—of introducing unfamiliar grape varieties and wine regions to a marketplace saturated with the "usual suspects."

By journey's end, you won't just know more about how wine is judged or marketed; you'll see how Quentin Havaux and his team are reshaping the way the world shares, savors, and celebrates wine—one lively conversation, and one unpretentious pour, at a time.

YouTube: https://youtu.be/qxITeNKKmME

I am proud when I say I was born in Inglewood, California. So were Li and Leslie Jones. When I was 5 or 6 years old, my father would take me to work as I sat and stamped brochures with the name Van Ness Pharmacy. Then the perscription driver would take me to Daniel Freeman Elementary School. I say that with all the reverence in the world for the process; I learned work ethic.

When I heard that there was a wine bar that primarily served wines from black owned wineries and was catgering to a fnew crowd of black wine enthusiasts and in Inglewood, I had to hear more. And Li and Leslie Jones did not disappoint.

You might think Leslie Jones and Li Jones would never have dreamed of running a wine bar while growing up in a home where wine was rarely poured and celebrations leaned more toward lemonade stands than stemware. Yet, as you'll discover, their journey from Inglewood siblings to the founders of 1010 Wine Bar unfolds with the same element of surprise and serendipity as finding Dave Matthews playing at your neighborhood venue. This episode is more than a family origin story; it's a lens into a changing city, and a window into Los Angeles' emerging Black wine culture.

Listeners will hear how sports stadiums, civic transformations, and a thirst for approachable wine knowledge all collide at the stylish threshold of 1010. You'll come away knowing exactly why wine, of all beverages, holds the unique power to spark conversation, bridge generations, and build a fiercely loyal community—whether your knowledge begins at the supermarket or the cellar. You'll learn how Leslie Jones and Li Jones built an environment where no question is too small, and why so many first-timers are astounded to discover the depth and breadth of Black winemakers.

You'll understand how the sisters balance the razor-thin margins and bureaucratic surprises of hospitality with a relentless desire to break down wine's aristocratic "gatekeeping" and make every guest's experience memorable—right down to a spontaneous R&B bingo night. And you'll leave with a sense of how celebrity labels, community partnerships, and a devotion to education are transforming not just 1010, but the image of wine enjoyment for a new generation. By the end, you'll have a taste for resilience and creativity that you won't soon forget—proof that in Inglewood, the future of wine is uncorked one conversation at a time.

In this episode, you will learn:

• The surprising ways wine dismantles social barriers and builds community in unlikely places.

• How Leslie Jones and Li Jones nurture a culture of approachability and discovery—especially for new wine drinkers.

• Why the explosion of Black winemakers is changing the face of wine in America—and how 1010 Wine Bar is at the forefront of that movement.

Full YouTube: https://youtu.be/Crm2yth3jMk

I watch social daily. I guess we all have to. Besides the interaction with peers, it keeps you aware of what people are thinking and doing. Once you get past the chaf and get to the honest opinions and outlooks, you get folks like Molly Bossardt.

I reached out to her to get a glimpse of what she is thinking and doing in our trade. Have a listen.

Molly Bassard proves that you don't have to be born in Napa or Bordeaux to turn the wine world on its digital head. When she launched Bread and Butter in the thick of 2020, Molly saw what many in the wine trade still missed: wineries remain rooted in old soil, even as marketing spins ever faster into the future. By tuning in, you'll quickly learn how Molly peeled back the layers of an industry famous for its dusty traditions and discovered a staggering lack of digital innovation, especially among smaller and mid-sized wineries. She exposes why so many vintners are hesitant—even averse—to marketing, and why most farmers don't realize that great wine is only half the job. Molly demystifies what a modern marketing strategy really looks like, from omnipresent email campaigns to the power of influencers, and explains why hiring "my niece who's good at Instagram" isn't enough. You'll get a candid lens into the digital uphill climbs wineries face, why foot traffic still matters in a world obsessed with e-commerce, and how to nurture a genuine community rather than chase short-term trends. Molly also uncorks the realities and limitations of AI in creativity-driven industries, dashing the fantasy that robots can replace passionate marketers. Perhaps most intriguingly, you'll discover what true innovation means when it comes to wine—hint: it has less to do with trendy packaging, and more to do with reimagining sustainability, experience, and storytelling. By episode's end, you'll know why good marketing can't be handed off to just any agency, and you'll see how the future of wine lies not in resisting change, but in embracing creative risk. Expect to come away with an insider's map to the new digital terroir, one meaningful strategy at a time.

Relentless in her pursuits would be an understatement because Kerrin Laz is a force of nature.

Kerrin is the type of person the wine trade needs...now. She is chock full of energy, a plethora of ideas, and a cavalcade of pathways to get there. She will be on the show again; there were too many subjects we never discussed.

Sitting down with Kerrin Laz was like flipping open a well-loved journal and discovering a handful of stories you'd forgotten you needed to hear. There's a warmth to the East Coast energy she carries with her, this tenacity blended with familiarity—sort of like sipping an old-vine Zinfandel that carries the sun of California but has the grit of Long Island soil.

Right out of the gate, Karen Laz reminded me of those early, stumbling steps we all take in our careers. She grew up in New York, knew Dean & DeLuca as an iconic place—couldn't resist popping in for a cup of coffee, even though her resume, as she freely admits, "had, like, nothing on it" 00:06. When asked if she preferred food or wine, she just sort of shrugged and said, "Wine, I guess." That honest uncertainty? I find that refreshing. Most people will fabricate a grand narrative about their calling, but Karen Laz is humble enough to admit a little serendipity goes a long way.

But don't let that humility fool you. Ten years leading her own wine collection, a knack for knowing what guests want before they do, and the rare ability to forge real partnerships with wineries—she's seriously dialed in. I marveled when she described how growing up on Long Island, she watched potato fields transform into vineyards. The region's rise in agro-tourism stuck with me—how people from the city pour into the North Fork and don't think twice about whether the wines are international gold medalists. "It brings excitement," she told me 06:14, "it gets people interested." Sometimes, wine is about adventure—stomping out to a farmstand, finding a bright Merlot, or realizing, incredulously, that some Long Island wineries still only ship within New York 03:46.

One thing I picked up fast: Karen Laz is obsessed with the guest experience. She's made it her mission to create truly tailored wine tastings—her team asks questions, customizes lineups, brings in wines that excite her personally, not just what's expected. She has that gift for bringing nervous new tasters right into the fold, making them feel like collectors before they've even bought a bottle 09:01. As someone who's spent decades trying to match people with the right glass, I recognize how rare that skill is.

Of course, we dove deep into wine business nitty-gritty as only two veterans can: the hotel rates in Napa these days, how the pandemic shifted staff and guest expectations, and the ever-higher bar for making the DTC wine game work. We commiserated about the "innovation" that nobody wants—wine in pouches, anyone?—and agreed that the future of our trade lies in experience, not just packaging 25:03.

But the heart of our conversation came when Karen Laz opened up about her philanthropic work—her mother's Alzheimer's journey and the creation of Inspire Napa Valley 42:57. Her passion for making a difference was palpable. She's raised over $9 million, funneling funds directly into research and care, not just awareness. This is what happens when someone, out of necessity and love, channels their professional success into something bigger than profit.

In the end, it all circles back—relationships, authenticity, and a willingness to roll up your sleeves for guests, friends, and causes that matter. That's what the wine business should be, and Karen Laz is living proof. Sitting with her, I was reminded that sometimes the best bottles are poured at a table where the stories matter as much as the juice in the glass.

https://youtu.be/c8cKLJSU2M8