Rich Logis, a former die-hard MAGA follower and founder of Leaving MAGA, joins us for this episode of Frankly, a Really American media podcast with former FBI director Frank Figliuzzi and Chip Franklin.

Fighting back against MAGA is not easy, as we heard first-hand from former GOP Congressman Adam Kinzinger last week. As Chip said, “So it makes me think that if you were going to leave MAGA, the smartest thing to do is be quiet. But our next guest has not chosen that route. He has become the impetus behind this organization called Leaving MAGA and that's a pretty big risk.”

Be sure to pick up a copy of Frank’s brand new book, Long Haul: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers.

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In this episode you’ll be taken on a journey deep down the MAGA rabbit hole to find out what makes folks like Rich gravitate to Trumpworld in the first place. You’ll hear the story of how the movement overtook his life and why he eventually disavowed MAGA. You’ll also find out exactly what he’s doing now to empower others to do the same.

Rich uses his unique perspective to help our listeners understand what it will take to reconcile with MAGA supporters and shares guidance on how we can all better approach the conversation with friends and family. He also has a strong prediction about what’s going to happen in November that you’re not going to want to miss.

Now, Rich is running Leaving MAGA, “a safe, non-judgmental community for those who leave MAGA, as well as for those who are having doubts about, or remorse over, their devotion to Trump and MAGA.”

“My time in MAGA did strain, to some extent, my relationships with my wife and kids. And I know that's happening by the millions. There are millions of Americans who are estranged from and alienated from their friends and their loved ones. That's why reconciliation is so crucial as part of the work of Leaving MAGA. In very simple terms: We're a destination for those who leave.”

You can find out more at LeavingMAGA.org, and be sure to follow Rich on Twitter @LeavingMAGA, and @PerfectOurUnion.

Former GOP Congressman Adam Kinzinger joins broadcaster / comedian Chip Franklin and former Asst. FBI Director Frank Figliuzzi to discuss the most effective way to defeat Donald Trump in the latest episode of "Frankly."

Adam is a veteran, former Congressman, an outspoken critic of Donald Trump, and one of only two Republicans to serve on the January 6th committee.

In this interview you’ll hear his shocking first-hand account of the Jan 6 insurrection. We’ll ask which political party he belongs to now, if he will run for office again, and what he can teach us about standing up to Trump.

This is an interview you won’t want to miss.

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“I'm thrilled that we've got a guest today that actually represents what we want American government to look like,” Frank Figliuzzi said. “Which is somebody who will do the right thing under pressure.”

Adam Kinzinger suffered severe backlash from friends and family for standing up to Trump while in Congress, but he tells our listeners the most bothersome part was that so many of his Republican colleagues refused to do the same. “This isn't some disagreement on tax Policy where we all can have a different view and compromise a little bit,” he said. “This is existential to whether or not democracy can survive.”

In this interview, we’ll take you inside the halls of Congress on January 6 to get a glimpse of Adam’s experiences that day. “January six was a terrible day, a symptom of what happens when you convince a significant amount of the country an election was stolen,” he said. “I told my staff to stay home. I asked my wife to stay home. I take my gun for the first time. I felt just a darkness that I've never felt in my life.”

You’ll also hear Adam explain why he chose to sacrifice his career in Congress for the good of the country, and how he’s spending his political energy nowadays convincing Republican voters not to support Trump.

Find out more at www.country1st.com, and be sure to check out his book, Renegade: Defending Democracy and Liberty in Our Divided Country.

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Hosts Chip Franklin and former FBI assistant director Frank Figliuzzi are joined by David Malicoat, an expert in cyber security and technology management.

David is currently serving as the Chief Information Security Officer at Direct Marketing Solutions and an Adjunct Professor in Cybersecurity at Collin College. In this episode our team talks with David about one of the most pressing threats to our national security - cyber attacks on our vulnerable critical infrastructure like water or electricity.

The safety of our nation depends on understanding and addressing these threats. That’s why this show is so important: to have these conversations, and to look at what we can be doing to prepare for and raise awareness of potential cyber-attacks on our critical infrastructure.

Frank Figluizzi underscores this point by revealing that during his time at the FBI, they were constantly reacting to bad actors seeking to hack into and manipulate our critical infrastructure systems. And the shocking examples he discusses are stories that we all really need to hear. He tells us, “ you're talking about our critical infrastructure, about FAA control towers, 911 systems, water supply. Whether you can pump gas or use the ATM. today. This is an item for all of us to get really educated on.”

You’ll get an eye-opening explanation of how terrorists and nation states can use our water and other infrastructure supplies to attack the United States and how our adversaries are changing their tactics to avoid culpability.

David refers to our water supply as the “soft underbelly” of American infrastructure, where 80% of water distribution in this country is run by small coops. He shares a frightening tale of how, in January of this year, the arid Texas town of Muleshoe, was infiltrated by a team of Russian-sponsored hackers and tens of thousands of fresh water were dumped on the ground before anyone was able to stop it.

The team discusses why groups operate this way and what kind of message they are trying to send. We also talked about exactly what would happen if the electric grid were attacked and gave folks some handy tips to prepare for such a disaster.

In this awesome interview we discussed a range of vital issues, including the balance of security vs privacy, the role of the federal government vs that of the private sector in addressing these threats, and the problems we face addressing these issues in Congress.

As Frank says, “We're always 10 steps behind technology. Legislation is 10 steps behind. There are senators who have no idea how things work technologically. And so we're always reactive. We're always responding to a crisis. And then somebody says, ‘Oh, we should have some legislation’. “

Frank also has a stark warning about the future of American cyber security if Trump wins in November. “It comes down to who’s in charge,” he said”. “If we have people with the mindset of America First means America only, or ‘We don't need nato,’ or ‘we can piss off our allies,’ then look out because it pays to have friends in the world and if you don't you're going to be blind.”

Check out David on his podcast called Professional CISO. Also be sure to pre-order your copy of Frank’s new book, Long Haul: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers, coming out May 28!

And stay tuned! Next week, our host is Adam Kinzinger and he has A LOT on his mind. You won’t want to miss it.